#performanceimprovement

In my experience, not many.

My manager, who can't stand me for some reason, has been working overtime to find faults with my work, so I'm guessing there's a PIP in my future. In my last company, PIP meant you might as well leave right away. Is it the same here? Should I start looking for something else right away?

I guess I should start packing my bags?

I mean sure, surface level they su-k. They load you up with impossible metrics to meet, MORE work, and basically make your job impossible. Most half smart people know it's a way for HR to get rid of you... without firing you.

BUT, a PIP is typically at minimum 3 months and sometimes even 6 months. That's 3-6 months of PAYCHECKS, Insurance, etc... Take advantage of that and spend 95% of your time looking for and applying to new jobs on dells dime. The thing with PIP's is that they can be extended so long as their is progress being made. So the key is to work and at least TRY to improve but, don't put too much effort into it also.

A PIP is a fantastic package tbh. Far better than what you'd get if you were laid off. Also, if you do find a new job within the PIP time period, you can quit dell and that PIP doesn't get recorded by HR. It basically never existed. PIP's are recorded ONLY if you pass it, or fail it and are then terminated.
Source: Have been PIP'd before.

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This deserved its own thread.

I remember many years ago an employee who was 53 dared exxon to fire him. He was arrogant and rich so he did not cafre. He was told by hr that he did not have to complete the DPC. He barely attempted to do any of the stuff on the plan and even missed many of the meetings with the boss. In the end he passed and was left alone for a few more years. There were many loke him as we called them retired in place. One machinist just walked around all day with his coffee. He worked on a single part for a months just taking his time. Another NRE fellow would hide out all day and disappear. One old guy told the management he did not deserve to be on dpc and refused to participate. He passed as well. Even employees on pips passed at high rate years ago. It has all changed now and the pass rate is very low. Pips used to be common when you were in your sixties now the can happen at any age.

One of my teammates is on one right now, and he knows he’s as good as gone, with nothing to show for it. At least with a layoff, you get severance.

Once you're on it, you already know how it ends. I really hope no one is fooling themselves into thinking they can fight it.

I've had multiple coaching memos doesn't take a genius that they want me gone lol.
How long do I have until a formal PIP?

Anyone had success getting out of PIP? Or once you are on it, you are done?

Is PIP something that can happen, or do you simply get fired, no chance to improve, if you messed up?

Or do you get the whole thing to "improve," no matter what?

But Employee visited maybe once a week or month. Additionally, there are various tools and adapters available that allow for remote access to different ports without violating any Information Security controls or processes (very simple tools on Amazon/Ebay).

The introduction of the USB New RTO policy, which includes a 2026 Talent and Performance Metric that logs hours at a hub or triggers a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP), has become a subject of humor within the corporate environment, often leading to memes that ridicule the corporate productivity policy and how not to be a CEO or how not to treat your employees.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/exxon-says-iran-war-will-curb-1q-production-by-6-4aa8c83e

What kind of id--t loses revenue with $100 oil price? As a shareholder, I demand DW get NSI ranking, and if he ever does this again in the next five years, be fire!

What happens when you go on these plans? Metrics are ridiculous. Being faulted over something that is not in your control.

Is PIP a death sentence at Chevron? Is there a point in trying to beat it?

Are you given an option for improvement plan? If so, can you decline and receive severance?
How frequently are we seeing NSI given to MPT employees in Canada ? Seems more common than in US.

Ready for another round?

Over 300 people have already left since the September 29 announcement, projects are scarce, meaningful work even scarcer and the long-term outlook for Canada couldn’t be clearer. Naturally, this seems like the perfect moment to proceed with the ranking cycle.

For those unfamiliar with the tradition: everyone gets ranked against colleagues worldwide, the curve must be filled and a pre-determined slice of the population will inevitably land in the “Needs Significant Improvement” category because nothing says modern leadership like deciding in advance how many underperformers you need.

From there the process is beautifully efficient: a helpful Performance Improvement Plan, a quiet exit and the reassurance that this isn’t a layoff just the system working exactly as designed.

Given the current morale and the steady stream of departures, the timing is almost poetic. If anything, the exercise should help clarify priorities for the few remaining optimists.

After all, when the future of the business in Canada looks this bright, someone will surely be eager to relocate to Edmonton and help keep the Strathcona refinery dream alive.

Are they legit or just a way to get rid of people without paying them severance? Is there a point in trying to "improve," or not?

The plan lasts for one more month. Can anyone tell me if I can seek other internal jobs here at Ford while my performance improvement plan is in effect? I really want to get out of the group I work in.

PIP has been moved to 30 days instead of the normal 90 days. 30 days to get on pip 90 days to get off pip.….whoever makes these decisions are so out of touch with reality they should be in a mental institution

If you don’t hit 50% of your phone target you move immediately to a written warning.

All hands call tomorrow. Maybe members of the cwa should get on and speak up for us

Got it for the first time. Will I be put in a Performance improvement plan? Or will be let go soon?

Received my annual review, rated a 2 with no concrete examples of why just comments about working partners provided great feedback but leadership felt differently. Was this a surprise? In the sense that I received feedback randomly less than 5 times during the year with no formal feedback during 1:1s (if I had them), yes. In the sense that I expected no less from my leadership team, nope. So definitely thinking I’m a future list as I specifically asked if I was going on a formal CAP and was told no that we’ll talk again in a few days to make a plan for 2026. Sigh. Just needed to “vent”.

Employee with 20+ years
Currently with Optum

Do you know anybody who did? Is it worth even trying?

I just got a PIP. Given the current state of the company and the layoffs, would you think I will be axed at the end of the improvement period?

How would one do this?

Disappointed in your performance. See, I have expectations too, and you have not met them. I have quietly been evaluating, showing grace, providing feedback to no avail. You are formally moving to a PIP and I will be severing this relationship if your performance as my employer does not improve. I’ll be documenting your progress towards the desired weekly. Signed, your hard working humble employees.

Had a mid career experienced hire employee tell me he just likes to keep his head down and let his work speak for itself. He is on the fast track for a PIP. The psychos will notice and take huge advantage of him. I tried to warn him.

For my 2025 mid year review, I was given an IM. Second half of the year, my manager acknowledged things were a lot better but still gave me an IM for the EOY review because he "had to consider the year as a whole". Now he tells me because I have 2 IMs in a row I need to be on PIP according to HR. His review had the most bogus generic points just so he could embellish why he was giving me the poor rating.

I should probably be looking for another job now but does anyone have any advice? Is it pretty much over now that I'm on PIP? Should I not sign any of the PIP documents? Ive already opened a ticket with HR to have all of this documented going forward but my managers assessment just seems completely unreasonable.

I was placed on a formal coaching plan and, despite making progress, did not reach the final performance threshold. Now waiting to see what comes next, hopeful for an extension to continue building momentum. Anyone else have feedback on how coaching plans pan out if you don’t meet all of the requirements?

URA solution worse than the problem....

Why stack rank across an individual team? It's myopic. If a team only has high performers and you're forced to cut by dishonestly ranking three reports as "least effective", then what's the point? Those reports may be (relatively) ranked as "exceeds" on a different team that has much lower performing reports that aren't ranked "least effective". Plus what if the cause of actual "performance issues" is their manager and their leadership instead of those reporting? Ding ding!

Targeted Attrition: The goal is for managers to ensure a certain percentage of employees (often cited as 6%) leave, known as "unregretted" because the company does not regret their departure.

Focus & PIPs: Employees deemed part of the URA quota are often placed on Performance Improvement Plans (PIPs) or a program called "Focus," which acts as a precursor to forced resignation or termination.

Managerial Pressure: Managers are expected to meet these targets, and if they fall short in one year, they may be forced to make up the difference in the next.

"Quiet Firing" Tactics: Reports indicate that employees may be encouraged to find other jobs or be subject to "silent sacking" to avoid the negative publicity of layoffs and, in some cases, severance costs.

Cultural Impact: This system has been criticized for fostering a high-pressure, fearful environment where employees feel pressured to leave even if they are solid performers.

https://www.hcamag.com/us/specialization/employment-law/ibm-faces-age-bias-lawsuit-alleging-impossible-performance-improvement-plan/561411

The news comes just in time when 15% low performers would potentially be put on PIP

The first batch of Performance Improvement Plans goes out next week. HR defined the Performance Improvement Plans, and they have been standardized and nearly impossible to pass.
If you have a feeling you are going to get a Performance Improvement Plan next week, your hunch is probably right. Your not likely going to pass your PiP, because Microsoft HR defined them for employees to fail. The best thing you can start doing next week after being handed your Performance Improvement Plan. Is to so stop preforming any work and focus on updating your resume. On your Resume, you want to give yourself a fake Microsoft job title that makes you sound like you are really important, in fact using your Microsoft manager's job title as your own is a great idea, On your resume write boasting about all the important work you have done, knowing its total bs. Then start applying to jobs, in between watching Hulu movies while at work.

Performance Improvement Plans recently. We think it was due to a Customer interaction with the two. The customer probably called Starbucks Corp. This is the first time I’ve heard that Starbucks can give employees Performance Improvement Plans.

Welcome to BNY Mellon, the corporate funhouse where the future is offshored, the present is gaslit, and the past has been quietly escorted out under a PIP engineered by someone who couldn’t explain your job if their bonus depended on it. If you’ve ever wanted to experience a workplace that feels like a psychological thriller written by a committee of auditors with no moral compass, congratulations—you’re already included.

Let’s begin with the crown jewel: the 1.4‑million‑square‑foot Pune facility, a gleaming monument to cost‑cutting and the executive fantasy that geography equals talent. Walk inside and you’ll hear it—the cha‑ching of budget wins echoing like a slot machine that only pays out when a U.S. employee vanishes from the payroll.
Real estate consolidation? Cha‑ching. Offshoring? Cha‑ching. RTO badge‑tracking designed to catch you missing a swipe? Cha‑ching. Eliminating work from home so you can sit in a ghost‑town office lit by flickering fluorescent lights? Cha‑ching.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., seasoned employees are being funneled into the Performance Improvement Program Funhouse—a place where your accomplishments are reinterpreted as “concerning behaviors,” your loyalty becomes “inflexibility,” and your manager suddenly develops selective amnesia about every positive review you’ve ever received. We are told it's business, not personal; it’s “People Optimization.” Or, as everyone else calls it: age discrimination with a corporate mission statement.

Your replacement? Already hired. They’re either a contractor, an H1B, or a freshly minted state college grad whose primary qualification is generating tax incentives. Nothing screams “strategic workforce planning” like swapping a 25‑year veteran for someone new who still puts “proficient in Outlook” on their résumé.

And then there’s leadership—RV and Dermie—delivering explanations so vague they might as well be fortune‑cookie messages. “Secular headwinds.” “Strategic acceleration.” “Industry realignment.” These phrases translate directly to: We cut people because it was cheaper, and we hope you’re too demoralized to question it.
They’re corporate illusionists, pulling rabbits out of hats while quietly sawing the workforce in half, all while congratulating themselves for their “courageous leadership.”
But the real horror isn’t the layoffs—it’s the cultural decay and phony empathy. Not a dramatic collapse, but a daily drip of rot. Policies drafted by people who have never met an employee. Decisions that feel like they were generated by a malfunctioning ethics simulator. And the atmosphere? Imagine a place where hope goes to file a ticket with HR and never returns. You are told to recharge, yet you quickly realize your battery no longer holds a charge.

Employees describe it as a slow‑motion freefall: one day you’re standing on a cliff, the next you’re knee‑deep in gravel wondering when the ground gave out. Every new policy feels like it was written by someone who only vaguely understands what the company does. Every leadership message arrives wrapped in jargon, dipped in legal review, and delivered with the emotional warmth of The Grinch who has no integrity and has lost their soul.

And if you’re wondering where ethical concerns go—well, they don’t go to RV. They simply vanish into corporate legal and a maze of executives who nod solemnly while approving fake performance reviews to support a visa‑driven displacement model. There’s evidence everywhere for those willing to look, but the official stance remains a polished shrug.

The downstream effects are already here: institutional knowledge evaporating, teams hollowing out, and the remaining employees expected to train their replacements while pretending everything is “energizing.” Engagement surveys now function mostly as a cry‑for‑help collection system.

But don’t worry—leadership wants you to feel valued. So check under your seat. If you’re lucky, you might find a BNY keychain in a swag bag. A small token of appreciation for your loyalty, your decades of service, and your willingness to participate in the grand experiment of replacing experience with cost efficiency.

In the end, BNY’s transformation story is simple:
Cut enough people, hide enough truth, and eventually even the spreadsheets start believing the fairy tale.

Happy New Year! Enjoy the feeling while it lasts.

Our IT manager let it slip today saying Leadership wants to cut 20% of low performers in Seattle. The performance improvement plans were created by HR to make them extremely difficult to pass.

Based on conversations with the Works Council, here are the top three actions that the executive board is personally invested in to mold SAP the way they want.

1. SAP is enhancing the Performance Improvement Plans (PIPs) in Europe. This is tied directly to the new Performance Measurement rolled out in Europe. The underlying premise is to give more power to managers to fire whoever they want to. Just give a bad performance for three times in a row and your reports will be automatically on a PIP and susceptible to getting fired.
2. Leanix and Walkme is undergoing a major restructuring in 2026 Q1. They will be moved under Signavio management and there will be new positions created to accommodate for the larger teams. However, only candidates based in Walldorf or nearby areas will be considered for manager and manager of managers positions even if the team is based elsewhere. They already did this at Signavio and we have managers who get to freely travel a lot because they are based at the HQ while 95% of their reports are in Berlin or other areas. Long-term Leanix and Walkme employees will be gently encouraged to leave just as they did with the Signavio management.
3. No more layoffs in Germany in 2026. The rhetoric for teeth brushing will intensify at the end of Q1 when the stock price goes below 200€ at XETRA but the Works Council already has an agreement for no more layoffs in 2026. The point they conceded on was the average salary hike which will be 2% and stock options which will have a very low budget and will be focused on employees who undergo role changes (e.g. Signavio people leads who were DEI coaches but are now development managers). In 2026, the public health insurance is going up by almost 5–6% but the salaries will not. On the other hand, the executive board bonuses are planned to be more than 20 million for CK and similarly higher for other members.

It is not easy to lay off employees in Europe so the executive board has a simple strategy. Divide and conquer. Put employees against their managers and vice versa. Discriminate against employees in regions besides Walldorf and nearby areas so they are against employees in those regions and vice versa. Make board areas competitive against one another so they will fight for budget.

Employees are so busy fighting against one another and worrying about their jobs and paying the bills that no one will question the share buybacks and why so much money is given to the executive board as bonuses. And life will go on.

Merry Christmas everyone and a Happy New Year too.

Is it just me, or are PIPs specifically designed so employees can’t succeed, and the end result is always termination? I'm starting to feel like this is the case, but it could be just me.

I was told that I can be on PIP next q. If I am on PIP, does it stay on my history incase of looking for another job or for anything in future? Also, can I use my PTO while in PIP?

As a people manager I've just been invited to training for the team members I was forced to rank as "achieved some expectations". I'm UK based but appears to be global training. Anyone know what the consequences this year of getting partial is?

Have PIP terms always been discretionary or are they shortening them just to force people out faster?

Anyone know or have access to information on how the terms of a PIP are determined? I searched MyHR and couldn't find anything transparent.

I thought 90 days for improvement was standard. Someone commented on a post awhile ago that their PIP was 60 days. My coworker just got put on one and she only has 30 days to turn it around. I'm relatively new to the team but from what others have been saying and my experience working with her, it seem preposterous. She's very knowledgeable and helpful and everyone seems to like her. She shared that she's never had a single performance issue previously and consistently received exceeds expectations annual ratings.

Sounds like a classic forced out scenario and if they can do it to her, they can do it to me or anyone, so I'm trying to find any reference material available.