#forcedattrition

Has anyone heard of GE HC "forcing" people to retire?

Heard some G8 were force to take a pay cut and become G7 and if they didn't accept those terms. They're gone and would not even get the severance package.

Yes, State Farm su-ks but half of complaining about “woke” and “customers” don’t even know what you’re complaining about. It’s greed at the of the day, they’re trying to make this place as miserable as they legally can to get people to quit without severance or even the voluntary exit offers. RTO su-ks, i don’t care how much you loved your office back in 1980, times have changes and there is literally nothing that we do at home that can’t be done from office (other than wasting hours of our life in traffic and pointless dribble chatter with coworkers), “customers” are the last thing on the executives mind, much less mine, they can read what they sign up for before they complain. Yes, I am actively looking for other places to work and I can’t wait to leave.

ExxonMobil’s MLRP is a performance‑ranking system that forces a fixed percentage of employees into the lowest category (“NSI”), often triggering PIP or separation options. It functions as a structured mechanism for performance management but has been widely criticized for effectively enabling layoffs under the guise of evaluation.

What the MLRP System Is
ExxonMobil’s Management and Leadership Review Process (MLRP) is an annual performance‑ranking system that categorizes employees into tiers. A key feature is the mandatory minimum percentage of employees placed into the lowest tier, Needs Significant Improvement (NSI). In 2020, ExxonMobil increased the required NSI share from 3% to 8%, expanding the number of employees exposed to performance‑based consequences.

Employees placed in NSI may be:

Forced to resign,

Placed on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP), or

Given a Performance Improvement Leave (PIL)—a 3‑month paid separation option with benefits and outplacement services.

How the System Works in Practice

1. Forced distribution
   Managers must rank employees relative to peers, ensuring a fixed percentage fall into NSI. This is not purely performance‑driven; it is quota‑driven. Employees report that even strong performers can be pushed into NSI to meet the quota.

2. Consequences for NSI employees
   According to internal details shared by employees:

All NSI employees are subject to PIP or PIL.

Employees 40+ years old get 21 days to decide between PIP or PIL; those under 40 get 7 days.

All PIP/PIL programs must begin by September 1, with an off‑payroll date of December 1 for PIL.

1. Impact on newer employees
   Employees with less than two years at the company who fall into NSI are often asked to leave immediately.

Why the System Is Controversial
Employees and analysts argue that MLRP functions as a layoff mechanism, especially during downturns, despite ExxonMobil publicly stating it does not use the system to reduce headcount.

Reported concerns include:

Opaque criteria and limited feedback before being ranked low.

Morale damage, as employees feel they must “play the game” rather than focus on meaningful work.

Disproportionate impact on older or higher‑cost employees, aligning with broader cost‑cutting and offshoring strategies.

Summary Table
Aspect What It Means
Purpose Annual performance ranking and talent management
Key Feature Mandatory % of employees placed in NSI (raised to 8%)
Outcomes for NSI PIP, PIL, or forced resignation
Employee Concerns Quota‑driven cuts, morale issues, perceived covert layoffs
Company Position Claims system is for performance improvement, not layoffs

If you want, I can also break down PIP vs. PIL, explain how to navigate the system, or compare MLRP to other oil‑industry ranking systems.

Confirmed 5% RIF including Dinosaurs who would be forced to retire.

Always has been. Now with a side of gas price misery.

I am an NGINX Dev and I'm worried about my friend that works in F5 Digital. I can confirm forced resigns are happening in US and India. Be careful joining F5 Digital Team. If you've doubts, confirm with your friends at F5.

A lot of chatter around layoffs, but it seems that they are going to just starve out and fire folks in the B2B Mid Market space. Unattainable quotas, 30 day PIP process, calls for 75% of our time which limits finding real deals within our base. Over 22 years with the company, I cost more than most of my peers. I would be a natural layoff candidate. Would love to hang for a RIF, but I do not think they are ever going to let us go like that when they can get rid of us all free.

Anyone see it differently?

F5 started adopting forced resignations instead of layoffs. Recently did let go 22 members and no one is talking about it.

It's very hard to choose a person from your team.

Is this a sign they're ramping up attrition, or am I just seeing isolated cases?

Does anyone else feel that ASI intentionally wants workers to quit? It seems as if leadership is forcing people out.

RTO was designed as an attrition playground from day one, that was always the point. It was obvious they'd keep tightening the sc--ws, and turn up the heat if not enough people quit on their own.

So have you heard that the move to remove all remote workers is underway, if your not in a HUB the plan is to ask you to move to a HUB or leave. Come on is this true

Has anyone else noticed a growing pattern / trend with Dell layoffs where "someone" will "leak" information about a particular group or org's upcoming layoffs, but layoffs are not for months out. Then, the company will do everything in its power to make their lives a living he-l so they quit on their own before their slated layoff time.

I've seen this pattern over and over now. Pretty slimy way to run a business. The forced attrition has gotten out of control.

PIP has been moved to 30 days instead of the normal 90 days. 30 days to get on pip 90 days to get off pip.….whoever makes these decisions are so out of touch with reality they should be in a mental institution

If you don’t hit 50% of your phone target you move immediately to a written warning.

All hands call tomorrow. Maybe members of the cwa should get on and speak up for us

As I see hiring I also see forced retirement and cuts for similar roles. Worst thing is they fire you and ban you from rejoining for life! one of the worst way to treat your own ex employees who you called family!!!

Is it just me or does it fell they're quietly pushing out long-tenured employees? Not laying off specifically, but finding ways to make them quit?

They're not relying only on layoffs anymore, they're just making the package worse and worse. Reduce a benefit here, increase a cost there. It's passive-aggressive workforce reduction, and it shows what they really think of us.

AK made clear on feb office hours that 15-70-15 here to stay. Also said 20-60-20 next year. Clear mission to shrink the company. Get out on your is if you can. Only people ready to retire and waiting on a package should be complacent.

We are being forced to work 4 extra hours a week of OT. Thoughts?

https://www.superlawyers.com/resources/wrongful-termination/forced-to-quit-how-to-know-if-you-have-a-constructive-discharge-case/

Proving an employer forced you out (constructive discharge) rather than a genuine layoff involves showing their actions made your job intolerable, using documentation (emails, texts, inconsistent reasons, sudden negative reviews, shifting policies) to prove an illegal motive like discrimination or retaliation, gathering witness testimony, and showing patterns of unfair treatment (like retaining younger/less qualified employees). Key evidence includes contradictory statements from the employer, a sudden shift in performance feedback, or being pushed out after reporting issues, making your resignation legally equivalent to being fired, notes this video shows how to prove age discrimination by showing a younger employee was hired as a replacement.
Key Evidence to Gather
Documentation of Intolerable Conditions: Emails, texts, notes about harassment, unfair treatment, or creating impossible work situations.
Performance Reviews & Policies: Positive reviews before sudden negative ones, or inconsistent application of company policies.
Shifting Justifications: Employer changing reasons for termination (e.g., from restructuring to poor performance).
Witness Statements: Coworkers who observed unfair treatment or discriminatory comments.
Statistical Patterns: If a specific demographic (age, gender, race) was disproportionately targeted in layoffs.
Timing: Termination shortly after a complaint (harassment, disability, pregnancy).
Comparator Evidence: Less-qualified employees outside your protected group were retained.
Steps to Take
Document Everything: Create a detailed, chronological timeline of events, interactions, and incidents.
Report Internally (If Safe): Inform HR or management about the conditions to give the employer a chance to fix them (and to create a record).
Consult an Attorney: Before resigning, speak with an employment lawyer to see if you have a constructive discharge case, as this is a complex legal standard.
File a Claim: An attorney can help you file with the EEOC or state labor boards if you qualify.

I expect conditions and requirements to get worse over time. It was never about productivity, in-person cooperation for efficiency, or god forbid the benefits of thriving office culture. It was always meant to push as many people out as possible on the cheap, making compliance so irrational, inconvenient, or impossible that we'd just quit.

If it's not going as planned, meaning not enough people are leaving on their own (which is understandable in this job market and economy), it will just become more inconvenient and unbearable. That's the playbook.

RTO = forced attrition. AI will sh-t can a lot of jobs anyway so we might as well ride until the train stops.

They’ve made the conditions so difficult that we either leave on our own or stay completely miserable, and at this point it feels entirely by design. They’re not even subtle or creative about it anymore. What’s next?

Can we talk about how awful the company culture and military like the culture is at Schwab?

Along with the constant broken promises for career growth to employees feels fraudulent!

They have been playing all kinds of dirty tricks on employees to push them out aggressively.

Have PIP terms always been discretionary or are they shortening them just to force people out faster?

Anyone know or have access to information on how the terms of a PIP are determined? I searched MyHR and couldn't find anything transparent.

I thought 90 days for improvement was standard. Someone commented on a post awhile ago that their PIP was 60 days. My coworker just got put on one and she only has 30 days to turn it around. I'm relatively new to the team but from what others have been saying and my experience working with her, it seem preposterous. She's very knowledgeable and helpful and everyone seems to like her. She shared that she's never had a single performance issue previously and consistently received exceeds expectations annual ratings.

Sounds like a classic forced out scenario and if they can do it to her, they can do it to me or anyone, so I'm trying to find any reference material available.

Happening the 2nd week of December.
Start looking at conference room blocks.

• Likely on Wednesday.

I’ve heard the total reductions for the year will be around +20% company wide. - They have staggered them throughout the year to limit visibility. (Plants/Regions/HQ/removing open roles and now the great “re-org”)

We haven’t seen a WARN notice, so how might they be getting around it? (Please add if you know other ways)

Paying in-lieu of notice: Instead of providing the 60-day notice, a company may choose to pay employees for the 60-day period plus any benefits they would have received.

Forced attrition: Some companies may attempt to reduce their workforce by placing good employees on performance improvement plans (PIPs) with the hope that they will quit, thus avoiding severance and WARN Act obligations.

Notice +60: company may give notice on a predetermined day allowing for the 60 days to transpire with employees “transitioning” during this time; (so not actually going around the rules)

That's how it was done people... someone up your chain had to do this.

"Give me a ranking of your employees."

Be prepared, some groups are going away entirely and some groups could lose 50% of the team.

"You have 10 people? Make it work with 5." -- Dan

People, sadly, it doesn't matter if you're an excellent employee with great reviews and work ethic. Dan has relegated people to simply being a number. X number of X are getting whacked. I wish I could say this wasn't true, but it is.

Quick question:

Did all of the forced piped former BNY employees receive a "not eligible for rehire" tag on their employment file?

172 people let go. Some in hubs but many not. The indignity is they are forced to take a ple training to get their severance .

Be prepared because we all know this is happening even though they deny it. As a mgr i can confirm they are absolutely reducing teams 25% and behind your reporting mgrs back. Most of my team was entered to meet by me and all of them show below after i went in and looked. Im not delivering any reviews when i did not do this and cannot tell people why it was done. Beyond pathetic and unethical. Open up a case with HR and ethics. Im telling you anyone below will be fired without severance but with an active case they will offer you something to avoid a lawsuit

It’s here just to push out as many people as possible on the cheap. If I’m wrong, convince me otherwise. Give me one example of RTO actually improving collaboration, efficiency, morale, productivity, anything, really. All I’ve gained is more time wasted commuting and higher expenses. I balance out the idiocy of RTO by making sure I’m not available after hours. None of it makes sense unless you see it for what it is - a way to make people quit.

The question is, who is left to rif? Any news on rif calls going out week after next which will be a non-paycheck week? Or will they continue to make up more ridiculous work requirements to get the rest of us to quit or retire earlier than planned?

For those expecting a golden parachute, consider this a warning: the bank does not want to pay severance. They already stretched funding for layoffs this year, and the idea of generous packages next year is a myth.

What you will likely see instead is a rise in “inconsistently meets” ratings or worse. If you miss your 4x8 schedule targets or fail to stay “in the zone” with daily activity metrics, don’t assume it will be overlooked. Ignore this at your own risk.

The system is designed to keep you boxed in. Step the wrong way and you may quickly find yourself on a PIP and out the door. This isn’t about development—it’s about attrition. They don’t need to force you out if the conditions drive you to quit on your own.

And don’t make the mistake others have made by filing complaints during leave—you risk being terminated for cause. Right now, management is looking for any excuse to cut costs.

That’s the reality. Take it seriously.

Almost two hours wasted on the commute. On a good day. Feels like that was the plan from the start, to force people out without paying a dime. People mention real estate/tax incentives as the main driver of RTO, but I think it’s mostly about cutting headcount on the cheap. Everything else comes second. Time will tell.

The stricter RTO is just part of it. Eternal reorganization, months of uncertainty about what’s coming for each of us - that’s another layer. Teams are in chaos, handling workloads meant for far more people. Managers seem completely oblivious to anxious, restless, overworked, burnt-out employees. It’s all either by design or sheer disregard for the workforce. Either way, it might come back to bite them, as the best people are always the first to leave.

I’ve never worked for cheaper ba----ds. They’ll try anything to force us out so they don’t have to pay a dime. I’ve been through several companies, all packed with soulless management and cruel leadership using “creative” ways to get rid of people. But State Farm takes the cake - the harassment, abuse, and daily pressure here are on another level.

So many posts about managers stealing credit.

But what no one talks about these days is why managers are ONLY giving opportunities to individuals who are in the same region as themselves to show off while pushing high performing associates into oblivion??

Is this some some toxic tactic to frustrate associates into quitting?

How much of one of your last paychecks have you been pressured to give to UW?