#india

Saw in #watercooler the goodbye messages starting to flow

High tech companies including Cisco are outsourcing non-technical and technical jobs to India, Canada and Europe. Why SBG hires program managers in Canada while there are hundreds of talented program managers in US and are unemployed?

Oracle is undertaking significant layoffs, impacting hundreds of employees across its Bay Area (Redwood City, Pleasanton, Santa Clara) and Seattle offices, with effects expected to take place in October 2025. These cuts, focused primarily on cloud-related positions, are part of a broader restructuring to reduce costs and improve efficiency as the company invests heavily in artificial intelligence

Details of the Layoffs

Bay Area: A total of 188 employees are being laid off in Redwood City (143) and Pleasanton (45), with an additional 101 employees cut in Santa Clara. 

Seattle: 161 employees are being laid off from the company's Seattle operations.
Global Impact: The cuts are also affecting employees in India and Canada.
Timing: The layoffs are set to take effect in mid-October 2025.
Affected Roles: The cuts primarily affect positions within Oracle's Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) unit, including software developers, managers, technical support analysts, project managers, and roles in media services and sovereign cloud efforts

An article came out about GBS and not a single US based associate was in this article. The future is clear and we'll soon be Bank of India

Not sure how many were impacted but know some in Global Payments were let go today all in favor of the needful. More good Americans now jobless because Robin Vince favors Pune scammers

Ever since engineering decision-making was shifted to the India office, the work culture has noticeably declined. Some individuals there seem more focused on personal gain and career growth rather than respecting colleagues. This has created an environment where only that mindset tends to thrive. Additionally, underlying social biases, such as caste-based attitudes, sometimes surface. The impact of this power shift has been felt even more strongly by the Indian employees in the U.S. office.

While we have your attention, you might be gloating over taking good jobs but just remember you’re making embarrassing poverty wages because you are desperate. You are not respected, everyone knows you can’t do your job properly and you are just tolerated not appreciated. The poverty of your own country has given you opportunities no one is truly jealous of. We live in the greatest country in the world here in the USA and while you get your $2/ hour, we have something you will never have - pride of country, dignity, and a work ethic that far exceeds anything you could think of.

Final note… The Patel Hotel Cartels you all run here in the USA are absurdly embarrassing and rundown reminders of the dirty 3rd world India they represent. You have nothing to be proud of.

Indian engineers at Intel are enabling semiconductor industry in India! After they are done transferring the technology they will again walk back to Intel as their friends are the corrupt managers! https://manufacturing.economictimes.indiatimes.com/amp/news/hi-tech/the-rise-of-the-intel-mafia-shaping-indias-semiconductor-future/123252445

All, we have heard we are shutting down India within the next year or two. CVX is taking the the top performers and we will need to look elsewhere.

The Union of IT & ITES Employees (UNITE) protested against TCS, alleging potential job cuts affecting 30,000 employees, a claim TCS denies, stating the reduction is around 2% of its global workforce. Supported by CITU, UNITE demands government intervention and warns of a larger layoff scale, while TCS emphasizes restructuring for future readiness with severance packages.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/tcs-layoffs-protest-it-employees-union-claims-30000-job-cuts-plans-global-action-company-issues-statement/articleshow/123403929.cms

Can you imagine if there were a tariff on 'human capital' for companies like AT&T which are stacking their payroll with overseas workers from India, et al.?

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-sees-asias-biggest-earnings-downgrades-us-tariffs-loom-2025-08-21/

Title: Tech layoffs continue as Oracle cuts workforce in India, techies speak of mental, financial stress
Company/Org: Oracle
News Source: NewsMeter
Location: Various, India
Summary: Oracle’s workforce reductions in India illustrate a broader reset in the IT sector, with employees reporting anxiety, burnout, and financial strain during restructuring.
URL:https://newsmeter.in/top-stories/tech-layoffs-continue-as-oracle-cuts-workforce-in-india-techies-speak-of-mental-financial-stress-753765

Offshore, firings, opening an office in India. The Citi playbook. DC acquiring EDJ is the only thing that makes sense. Nothing else does.

Entire traffic department getting laid off, and jobs are being sold to Indian company Wipro.

Just confirmed that this time RIF spreads to Ukraine, Romania, India, Mexico development centers and remote workers. Utilities haven’t had layoffs in engineering for past 10 years. I heard second wave is possible.

Is this confirmed?

The news have started coming out in India with meetings scheduled beginning 11th August.

Also, confirmed news FA, DB and OCI will follow the same.
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I joined Fiserv in BH earlier this month and confused by all the mentions of India. On many sheets with headcount and capacity planning, they list USA employees and India employees.

Is this company related to India?
Is offshore entirely India or are there other locations in EMEA or Latam?

Just not sure why they would only hire India for offshore if we’re not formally an Indian company by any means

Just confused by all this

They let everyone go, especially acquired like hMF, keeping sales teams but no one to patch or support the products. EMEA will now become India only (eventually), US is just Canada.

Justifying the cost being saved by getting unskilled people in India (replacing the existing) to submit canned responses, knowing customers won't be able to immediately migrate to alternative or seek damages on SLA.

Probably going to fail miserably with this all talk with his own talkshow CEO. Talking about AI, creating a snowy mascot to hop on stage but not actually giving his employees the tools.

With all the diversity promoted, where is your Indian AI mascot?

At least we all got some AI experience as we were filling in those lead to nowhere Career Week forms, another true example to this company being all for show, fake new procedures and hard on it's hard working employees for nothing.

"Better together" never made sense, not when you are forced to commute 2 hours to an empty office, only to conference with 3 other regions who need to do the same.

Good luck to the few left to train their replacements.

Customers again not happy with TransUnion passing all the jobs to India, costa rica among other countries. Can't be happy with the UK, they don't work overtime and you can't get hold of them during pub hours. Let's outsource 100% of IT to another countries but have DEI personnel who works in Texas lead GCC. How does one lead from US who not on the same time schedule, sounds like that person has a husband saving her a-s. Here reports of nothing getting done, do these board members even give a sh-t?

The masterclass in corporate “leadership” continues. With layoffs and “voluntary” severances handled as covertly as a teenager sneaking out after curfew, it’s clear that transparency isn’t just optional—it’s utterly avoided. Our fearless CEO and their trusty DEI henchmen seem to be taking notes from United Healthcare’s “offshore everything” playbook, aiming for that golden 70-80% offshore mark. Nothing says “commitment to excellence” like replacing skilled workers with a race to the bottom for cheap labor.

And about the talent being recruited in Costa Rica and India—both conveniently owned by Kaiser. It’s like they saw the Titanic and thought, “What if we skip the iceberg entirely and just build the lifeboats as submarines?” The Oceangate metaphor feels almost generous.

Meanwhile, you can bet the execs’ paychecks remain untouched. Oh no, the sacred seven-figure bonuses and their job security must remain protected at all costs. Who cares if they have to toss the rank-and-file overboard like ballast in a sinking ship? After all, nothing screams “leadership” like setting your company on fire, blaming the wind, and then asking for a raise.

For support - it's any inexpensive country to save a buck.

Substantial majority of support is being re-staffed to India, Croatia, Costa Rica, Bulgaria, etc

Which leaves the non re-deployed developers to essentially train the new L2 via increase in support tickets to L3 (generally dev)

Which will result in crashing PS scores, increase in escalations and critsits

Just wondering. I come here once in a while to check on an old company I once worked at where I met a lot of nice people that I never keep in touch with but still care about. I was young and idealistic back then and thought I would make a career there. It turns out that I didn’t get picked for management for whatever reason and then I saw jobs get outsourced around me to India or Costa Rica, or somewhere else. I ended up leaving discouraged but at least now I make way more money than I ever could have at Emerson. I still have a place in my heart for the company but also some resentment for many of the same reasons I often see expressed here. So I guess for me it serves as a form of validation. In some ways I see it as emblematic of the death of one the last American manufacturing companies, consumed by the greed of an inner circle of hypocritical leaders who are really just out for themselves.

The discussions so far have been focused on the US workforce. Would anyone have information of what BC did with offshore offices and teams in CA and Symantec after those acquisitions? Our teams are large in Costa Rica and India (primarily, Bangalore) and we wonder what will happen to us. We have very nice offices in these locations so I also wonder how long it would take to take over or dismantle these children organizations, assuming this is what will happen. Thoughts, please?

SVP of Global Support Karen Egan was in Broomfield colorado area last week and had secretive meetings at the Omni hotel nearby with other front-line tech support managers. What's THAT all about?

Recent job reqs for tech support have all been in "low-cost centers" (Costa Rica and Bangalore) for backfilling positions.

How long until $VMW decides to just ship support to low cost centers completely (and use Atlanta for federal support since it's considered "lower cost") and ditch Broomfield just like they did with Burlington a few years back?

Managers must think that employees don't look at the internal job openings and see where the new openings are based.

Not just our engineering team bro. It’s an Over staffed US finance and accounting department with many directors and VPs draining companies resources. Many inexperienced people with so called fake ‘director’ experience and title have no credibility but have managed to bluff their way through the interview process. There is no pyramid structure. Is anyone highlighting this to CFO and HR? Why not give opportunities to our internal finance talent from the India team that has shown loyalty to the company for many years? Why this obsessing over external talent even when they don’t bring any relevant experience? Why not keep the costly US overhead cost structure low?

Has anyone ever seen GK physically in the US? His constant WebEx presentations can be done from anywhere in this world. With his close ties to Japan and the shifting of operations to Mexico City, Costa Rica, Poland and India from the US, it would be a fair guess that he is in India.

I know folks are very cynical of IBM’s actions and trust me been there done that (class of 2016) BUT the real question is was there a game plan to it vs just reducing costs across the board. In My 2016 experience it was just a cost reduction exercise, and no change of course. This RA seems to have a Slight strategy behind it (mostly eliminating Redhat vs IBM legacy overlap, which most likely should be expected after spending 34 billion.. The decimation of Power in Austin was not a “move folks from high cost to low cost”, but rather a “we don’t want to be in this business anymore” action. The final question is did IBM fall back on their old ways when it comes to GBS/GTS and just remove costs, or did they strategically go after costs. There is evidence for both. IBM had RA’s in China and India (China ended in April, while India had them when the USA had theirs). (see EE times articles). The non-confirmed posting of TSS moving to Costa Rica would certainly be the “old” IBM strategy of shopping for lower cost. Thus again I ask does anyone see a strategy via the man behind the curtain?
I will add one interesting tidbit. If we run the known numbers we get, IBM took a 900 million dollar charge in 1st Q, which equates to a 23k Headcount reduction at 45k a head. (USA fully burdened cost of 180k per head). The CFO said he was looking for 2 billion in savings which says 1.1 billion must still be accounted for. He also said the 1.1 would be self funding from operations. If we use the 1/3 rule (110k America’s, 120k Europe/Asia, and 120k India) And factor in the 4 to 1 cost advantage (1st world vs third world) then the shift of heads to 3rd world pay for any impairment costs incurred. Thus 2 billion at 45k nets 45k heads impacted with 3rd world going up at the expense of 1st world. The exiting of commodity HW (Power and possibly storage) would result in another possibly 3-5k reduction. 1k plant for each HW product, with 1k sales/channel in America’s and Europe/Asia. This would be self funding via the fire sale of the HW manufacturing business and IP sales. This all nets to 50k impacted after the dust settles. Now IBM has a lean go to market machine focused around Cloud, LINUX, AI, Enterprise, and REDHAT, Does anyone see that the RA was structured to support this plan?
Finally folks are speculating about a 2nd round. I would speculate IBM isn’t after anymore streamlining of their go to market strategy, but rather shopping “perform” services (think commodity body shop services already in India). That would mostly come out of Cognitive, GBS, and GTS. Perhaps 60k heads total. I would expect IBM to cut a deal with one of the body shops already in India. Thus no impingement charges. Again just a speculation

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While we avoid taxation by putting your jobs in Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, and India? Can HPE count on your support?

Supposedly, the layoffs begin this week (of October 9). That's the buzz here in HQ, and morale is really low. A big portion of sales will be targeted. Sadly, they have nothing to really sell because the products are slow in development and unstable, so non-existent. Product development itself is struggling and will also be targeted. Meantime, Sungard AS can't attract top talent because it has no money and no stock options to offer as a private company. It's onwards anyway to filling roles in India and Costa Rica, which our customers don't like dealing with. So it's all a death spiral. This place is out of control. Good luck to all.

Anybody knows more about the supposed layoffs this week? It's already Wednesday, and I haven't heard anything.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/CSC-CEO-Well-hire-thousands-in-India-in-the-coming-years/articleshow/54971190.cms

Time for people to go into fields that cannot be outsourced. These jobs require someone to physically be present - onsite - and cannot be performed remotely. Best yet, jobs that require US Citizenship.

• Government work requiring access to sensitive data or security clearances

• Police/Security work that cannot be filled by H1B visas

• Any medical specialty that cannot be replaced by or sent via network to India for completion such as: billing, xray reading, labs, diagnostics, etc.. - (Nurse, Nurse Practitioner, Physician Assistant, Doctor, Medical Assistant, Dentist, Dental Assistant, etc...)

• Construction (Electrical, Framing, Roofing, Painting, Landscaping, Plumbing, etc..)

• Repair (Air Conditioning, Mechanic, etc..)

• Real Estate (On-site Property Appraiser, Real Estate Agent, Investor/Flipper)

You get the idea... If it can be performed over the internet or over a networked connection by someone sitting in India, Malaysia, China, Eastern Europe, Mexico, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, etc... then it will. If it is a job that H1B visas can be imported to perform, the employer will bring them. The US government does not care at all about the people or whether it's citizens work. Only you can protect yourself.

Sungard continues to cut American based jobs. Moving more and more IT support to overseas support in India and Costa Rica. Customers continue to complain about a lack of good support and rapid response to critical issues. Solution? 3rd party and under performing foreign labor force.

Good job.

Wouldn't be surprise with the losses and dismal sales in 2016 if they don't go for the lowest bidder or go bankrupt. 99% of all customer support - RS, MS, Hybrid - headed to either Sungard AS employees in India or a contractor in Costa Rica.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/6-things-id-do-i-got-laid-off-ibm-j-t-o-donnell?trk=mp-reader-card

For the ones that voluntarily decide to stay... NO ONE is safe at HPE. No matter how "business critical" you think you and/or your role are, you are always a potential target (especially if you are over 30 and live in the US). I've even known people in Mexico, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, Vietnam and India being booted out, so working on a low cost or tax advantage Country doesn't seem to be a safe haven anymore. there's always someone cheaper out there... I guess the question you need to ask yourself is why are you tolerating this unacceptable behavior from an employer that don't give a damn #### about you as an employee? The more you wait, the more competition you'll get out there from desperate well qualified people also looking to land good jobs. Anyone that got laid off 2-3 years ago should consider themselves fortunate, as the market conditions (and competition out there) were not nearly as bad as they are today. The more you wait to start your search, the worse it'll get.

Early posts showed about 12k people on the list in the large document we got.

Is that only people in USA?

How many from different Geos, India, Isreal, Ireland, Canada, Costa Rica, etc...

What is the total VSP/ISP/ERP that was given out world wide?

Anybody know?

Last month, I reported on a wave of IBM layoffs hitting U.S. facilities. Cuts were happening all across the country, and one source told me he’d been informed that one-third of the U.S. workforce would be affected. IBM quickly denied that number, and other reports put the numbers of those severed in the 20 to 25 percent range—something like 18,000 to 25,000 in the United States.

(We’ll never be able to know the exact percentage, simply because IBM no longer releases a U.S. headcount; worldwide, as of the end of 2015, the company had approximately 378,000 employees.)

At the time, U.S. employees suspected that what the company called “workforce rebalancing,” in order to “aggressively” focus on cognitive and cloud computing, had less to do with focusing on cloud and cognitive and more to do with moving jobs to countries like India, Brazil, and Costa Rica

http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/ibm-layoff-epidemic-spreads-worldwide

A 6 year veteran here - it's fairly long #tenure for IBM... No matter how highly you are rated at #IBM or how many years you work for IBM, please do not relax and think for one minute that your job may be secure.

A large number of my friends here at IBM were laid off, so they can move our work to #India, #Philippines and pay a fraction of our salaries to local staff.

When they lay you off you lose your matching #401K funds, they do that on purpose, that's why they are not matching every month...

Anyhow, no respect or value to employees is shown to employees... #IBM is sneaky they send more and more jobs offshore, they bring #H1B folks here - they do not release info on what's going on - they hide it...

Dont you start me on management, it sucks, managers are frustrated too - there layers upon layers of management, a ton of people will check your work, and stuff like that, they will tell yo what to do often contradicting each other - oh, it's so bad bro...

Hello, although this is not a layoff post, who got a raise in the US, UK or any other non -3rd world country???? I just got my review today and was told that no-one in the US or any other country that is not 'low cost', would get a 0% increase, ON TOP OF THAT, the VPR is also 0%. Only folks in Costa Rica, India, Phillipines, etc get a raise THIS YEAR. SO ANYONE WAITING FOR THEIR FPR AND EXPECT TO BE REWARDED FOR THEIR HARD WORK>>>>>>>>>>>F--- US ALL, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH HP.