#offshoring

First of all, my heart goes out to our European, Canadian, and Singapore colleagues.
Great friends, fine professionals, and true believers in EM core values.

Across forums, industry conversations, and personal exchanges, one theme keeps repeating-
Offshoring and particularly to low cost labor markets like India.

Let’s be clear:
Our operations are built on national resources—oil, gas, and energy that are the wealth of nations. These resources, while vital, come with environmental costs we all understand. And yet, instead of converting this sacrifice into livelihoods for the people of the very nations whose resources we exploit, we see record levels of offshoring.
This is not the same as IT or banking outsourcing. Natural resources are not just corporate assets, they are national wealth.
To offshore the jobs tied to them is not just cost-cutting, it is economic plunder.

The scale of this shift is hidden. Official headcount reports disguise the reality. If we include not just GCC centers but also third-party service providers, the imbalance is shocking-only a fraction of roles remain in base countries, while the majority are quietly shipped overseas.

In reality, No MC, C-suite, or shareholder vote should decide who benefits from national resources. That right belongs to the people and their governments.

The problem is, most people, even in government, don’t know the scale of what’s happening. It is happening quietly, and rapidly.

That’s why every one of us has a role to play. Even small actions matter:
• Write to your representatives.
• Raise awareness within your networks.
• Push for transparency in how resource-linked jobs are allocated.

This is not about one company or one industry. This is about ensuring our resources create futures for our people, not just cheap profits offshore.
If we don’t act now, we risk handing away not only our jobs but our children’s right to benefit from their own nation’s wealth

What you guys think? Is this new H1-B fee will move more jobs to abroad?

Pretty sure major news orgs would be interested to hear about mass and repeated layoffs at a fortune 500 benefiting from CHIPS Act funding, H1-B and outsourcing.

Just heard layoffs coming in those two organizations. Shamedul we have to live like this everyear every quarter. Hans is getting the company to be all off shore. Verizon will not end well in the future.

Folks, the real problem is short-term thinking versus long-term vision. Under the guise of annual PDS reviews, promotions, and showing immediate business value, we’ve completely lost sight of the long-term consequences.

This BTC offshoring is just the beginning. They’re bringing in people willing to work for a meal a day, and that’s the standard they’re setting. Other companies will follow our mistake, creating a trap for everyone.

Don’t wait until your job is taken away—fight against outsourcing like it’s a national emergency. You might survive the next 5–20 years, but what about the next generation? They could be left with no opportunities.

We can’t compete against 500–600 million graduates willing to work for peanuts. This isn’t just a corporate decision—it’s a systemic issue on the scale of capitalism versus communism, world wars, or global epidemics. These global capability centers are designed to destroy livelihoods to boost profits and deliver short-term shareholder gains.

Wake up and act before it’s too late.

Friends, Imperial Oil is offshoring thousands of Calgary jobs while taking advantage of Alberta’s resources, tax breaks, and our province’s livelihood. We can’t let this go unchallenged. Here’s what you can do today:

1.  Write to your MLA and MP demanding they stop public benefits to companies that offshore Canadian jobs.
2.  Write to local and national newspapers (Calgary Herald, Globe & Mail, CBC, etc.) to expose how Imperial is abandoning Alberta workers.
3.  Write to the Alberta Energy Regulator and other agencies asking them to review Imperial’s operations and hold them accountable for both job losses and environmental impacts.

1. Template-
   Dear [MLA/MP Name],

I am writing as a concerned Albertan. Imperial Oil has announced mass layoffs in Calgary while offshoring all these jobs to India. This is a betrayal of our province and its people, especially after Imperial benefited from Alberta’s resources, tax breaks, and royalty concessions.

What’s worse — Imperial is not scaling down operations. The company plans to increase oil sands output while offshoring even more Canadian jobs abroad.

I urge you to:

1. Publicly demand that Imperial disclose the number of jobs being offshored.
2. Push for clawbacks on any tax or royalty benefits if jobs are moved overseas.
3. Support legislation requiring companies receiving public benefits to keep jobs in Canada.

Albertans deserve leaders who will defend local jobs and hold corporations accountable. Please let me know what actions you will take.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[Your City, Alberta]

2-
To the Editor,

Imperial Oil is offshoring thousands of Calgary jobs while continuing to profit from Alberta’s oil sands and enjoy generous tax and royalty concessions. This decision guts our community, threatens livelihoods, and sends Canadian prosperity abroad while leaving behind environmental and social costs.

Importantly, Imperial is not reducing operations — in fact, the company plans to pump even more barrels while cutting Alberta jobs and shipping the work overseas.

We should not reward corporations that abandon Alberta workers. Imperial must be held accountable — through public scrutiny, political action, and regulatory oversight. Our leaders must make it clear: if you benefit from Alberta’s resources, you must also invest in Alberta’s people.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[Your City]

3-
To Whom It May Concern,

I am requesting that the Alberta Energy Regulator and related oversight bodies review Imperial Oil’s recent decision to offshore large portions of its Calgary workforce. These job cuts raise serious concerns about the company’s ability to maintain adequate local oversight, environmental monitoring, and compliance at its oil sands operations.

Given Imperial’s history of environmental violations and the importance of Alberta jobs tied to resource development, we need transparency on how these workforce changes affect safety, compliance, and community obligations.

I urge you to require Imperial to disclose the scale of offshoring and to assess its impact on operational accountability in Alberta.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[Your City]

Over the past several months, it’s clear the company has been consistently laying off employees — roughly the same number each month, almost like clockwork. While leadership has publicly acknowledged these reductions, there are a few things don’t fully add up.

Where’s the WARN Notice? So far, I haven’t found any WARN notice filings from our company — at either the federal or state level. This is unusual given the scope and repetition of the layoffs.

Why WARN Notices Matter
• Transparency: WARN notices are public and include specific details (locations, job roles, counts). Avoiding this filing prevents employees from having a full understanding of what’s happening.
• Rights & Pay: If WARN rules apply and weren’t followed, affected employees may be legally entitled to back pay and benefits for the 60-day notice period.
• Legal Risk: Staggering layoffs to avoid crossing the 50-person threshold may seem clever on paper, but courts can still view it as part of a broader layoff plan. That’s risky — for the company and for us.

200 Employees Terminated Per Month — For Two Years
Internal data and broader reporting indicate that roughly 200 employees have been leaving the company every month for the last two years. That adds up to 4,800+ departures.

Some of this may be natural attrition — but this figure closely matches reports of involuntary terminations, suggesting it’s not just people quitting on their own.

Additionally, the company rolled out a voluntary severance program — which about 600 employees accepted — under conditions that felt like “quit now or risk being laid off later.”

Meanwhile, many departments have been offshored, with knowledge transfer efforts happening in parallel.

What the DOL and Courts Say About “Voluntary” Severance
According to the U.S. Department of Labor:
“Voluntary departures, retirements, or resignations generally do not count, unless the employee departure is caused by the employer and qualifies as an employment loss.”

Source: DOL WARM Act FAQ
Regulations: 20 CFR: 693.3(f)

So if it was implied that employees were to “Take the package now or be on the next layoff list,”
That may legally count as a layoff, not a voluntary exit. And if those numbers weren’t included in WARN reporting? That’s a serious issue.

Staggered Layoffs = WARN Evasion?
Federal law also explicitly prohibits breaking up layoffs to avoid WARN thresholds. According to 20 CFR § 639.5(a)(2):

“An employer may not evade the purpose of the Act by staggering terminations… if they are part of a common layoff plan.”

If 200 employees are being terminated monthly — even across departments or locations — and no WARN notices are being filed, that strongly suggests a strategy designed to stay just under the legal reporting threshold.

For Reporters or Watchdogs Monitoring This Forum:
How has no one picked up this story?!?
This situation potentially involves:
• Thousands of U.S. terminations over 24 months
• A “voluntary” severance program used to disguise layoffs
• No public WARN filings (despite the scale)
• A clear pattern of offshoring and workforce consolidation
• Potential WARN Act non-compliance through structuring and timing.
• Oh and don’t forget the philanthropic award the company won a few years ago for committing to increasing local jobs in St.Louis by 10%.

30 years ago, when they moved factory jobs to Asia, you said “none of my business, let those low-skilled jobs go.”
15 years ago, when they moved office jobs to Argentina, you said “none of my business, I have an engineering degree from MIT.”
Today, when they move engineering jobs to India, what you have to say?
You need to act! Don’t let those white males use things like DEI and climate hoax to distract you, and in 10 years, US will have no jobs!

This is what they hope / think / expect may happen - extreme (they use that word, yes) offshoring and near-shoring (to the East and to the South, respectively):

"Such a rush could lead to "extreme offshoring" in some cases, said Ramkumar Ramamoorthy, a former managing director of Cognizant India, adding that the COVID-19 pandemic had shown key tech tasks could be done from anywhere."

"If Trump's visa curbs go unchallenged, industry experts expect US firms to shift high-end work tied to AI, product development, cybersecurity, and analytics to their India GCCs, choosing to keep strategic functions in-house over outsourcing."

"Either more roles will move to India, or corporations will near-shore them to Mexico or Colombia. Canada could also take advantage," said the India head of a retail GCC."

"While the $283-billion IT industry that contributes nearly 8% of India's GDP may feel the strain, surging demand for GCC services could cushion such a blow, however."

"Lost revenues from H-1B visa reliant businesses could be somewhat supplanted by higher services exports through GCCs, as US-based firms look to bypass immigration restrictions to outsource talent," Nomura analysts said in a research note last week."

More in the article: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-firms-to-consider-shifting-work-to-india-as-trump-hikes-h1-b-visa-fee-9369365

Jensen ("it's too high", poor Jensen): https://www.businessinsider.com/jensen-huang-nvidia-trump-100k-h1b-visa-price-high-immigration-2025-9

What if the NYT covers how Americans have been losing their jobs instead?: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/business/india-h1b-visa-trump.html

Same with this outlet: https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-h1b-visa-fee-brain-drain-rcna234471

This is Bee Ees, Canadians and Germans have been complaining about them losing their jobs to foreigners, but poor foreigners, hey: "But now, for many, it’s simply not worth it. An Indian computer science graduate in Texas told Reuters: “I’ll move to Canada or Europe — anywhere that actually wants us.” And other countries do want them: China, Germany and other nations are rolling out new incentives to scoop up the same talent the U.S. is now pushing away."

The unemployment lines in Canada are getting longer and longer. In Germany, unemployment hits 14-year high. For example: https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2025-09-30/german-unemployment-rises-more-than-expected-in-september

My entire point is that media outlets don't inform, they push narratives and we need to be skeptical and do our homework (everyone, regardless of pol it i cal leaning).

Betrayal at Home Imperial Oil Offshores Canadian Jobs After Exploiting Resources
After decades of degrading Canada’s environment, draining communities, and profiting from our natural resources, Imperial Oil,under the control of its U.S. parent giant, is shipping 20% jobs to India

Should be the title of the press release.

Most of the analysis and decisions were led by ExxonMobil employees in Houston and elsewhere in the world. Imperial despite being an independent publicly traded company was puppeteered by its American masters.

This should be headline news everywhere in Canada tonight. But instead, given it doesn’t affect Ontario or Quebec it will be swept under the rug.

What happened to elbows up?

20% headcount reduction (5000 to 4000) by YE27. Affects Upstream, Downstream, Corporate. Employees will found out by January 2026.

Sale of Calgary Quarry Park campus, tentative agreement in place

Relocate Calgary roles in 2028 to sites, predominantly Edmonton refinery.

Includes offshoring > 500 roles to Houston, and global business centers in India, Argentina, Bangkok

How will Ford be affected if their India workforce becomes part of India’s US-Tariff-boycott?

Would that completely shutdown the company, and for how long?

The writing is on the wall. Pips are getting harder to pass. Employees in thier 40s and 50s are being pushed out. It's a huge toliet bowl that is on constant flush. I along with others are having our work outsourced. Most of the work is going to india and we just review it. We are all being systematically pushed out. All work groups are being gutted. I feel sorry for the new hires that are told the lies about a job for life. They are not told of the constant piping and cutthroat ranking system.
OP: @ag+1k687ancz

This is the gist of it. How it will all play out for regions or orgs, doesn’t really matter.

Lately I have been seeing ads talking about Edward Jones' midwestern values and St. Louis roots. This may have been true for a century. Since Penny took over as managing partner she has laid off St. Louisans in the home office and sent their positions overseas to India. Why does Penny not publicly advertise this? Instead the narrative is about Americana and American values. I guess when Penny promotes Edward Jones' midwestern values she is talking about our home based associates in Bhopal, India (you read that right, India, not Indiana, midwestern India). I wonder our American clients would feel if they knew their financial and personal information was being accessed by people in a third world country. Penny, just tell the truth. The whole truth. Penny, you took over a sleek yacht and in a few short years have turned it into the SS Minnow.

Penny and team are touting Enterprise Reimagined as the first time in firm history EJ has had layoffs. Penny has said August 2025 was the first time there has been layoffs at EJ. I know for a fact that is a bold face lie. As early as 2023 some of my fellow associates who were laid off were training their Indian replacements with the fear of severance withholding held over their heads. We were told they were not able to tell us who was being laid off. When we saw someone in the office and did not see them the following week we would know who it was that got laid off. Penny team are just bold faced liars with no integrity and a very low moral compass.

Had 3 lay off is in my department over the last week and was told we were done with so called lay offs for the rest of the year. However I am seeing the forecast of $50 a barrel by January so I’m sure our jobs will be sent oversees again and I will be back on unemployment in the new year.

Any layoffs ?
People sending emails about their last day at fidelity .
Also seeing other folks in other companies with long tenure doing the same. Saw atleast 2 of them this morning on linkedin.
Also lot of hiring in India as H1B fees by trump.

What is about to happen is part of a global strategy to reduced headcount and move our Canadian jobs to Houston and the BTC. ExxonMobil still wants our oil and has plans to increase production and develop Aspen plus other assets. If they want our oil, the jobs should be here. We may not be able to do much, but we can make it harder. Write to Smith, Carney, even Brian Jean and APEGA. It may not stop them, but it could make them think twice or slow them down, which is worth a try.

Let's turn back the clock a bit. Around ten years ago Dell laid off a lot of long time employees. Employees who had worked for the company for 15 years or more. As you would expect after 15 years, these were very well paid employees across all skill workers.

Dell was still a growing company and could have offered other roles to these employees. However Dell let them go. Needing a wealth of new employees Dell turned to India and the new hires received the kind of lower wages that new employee (performing the same job) would get as opposed to a long time employee.

Now here we are in 2025. Those H1-B hires are now in their tenth year. Through annual raises they are now a bigger hit to OPEX. Now comes Trump's new H1-B policy. So now Dell gets to layoff veteran and costly H1-B and blame it on the new H1-B policy. But now they simply run the same gambit of laying of veteran employees for new lower paid replacement and look innocent free.

It's like in that movie The Sting. Never let your mark know they were stung.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Ecodxn5m4

Major tech companies including Meta, Google, Salesforce, Amazon, and Tesla continue to announce large-scale layoffs, often attributing them to advances in artificial intelligence. At the same time, firms are quietly expanding through H-1B visa hiring and outsourcing to countries like India, where more than 1.6 million people now work in global capacity centers.

Data shows Salesforce, for example, cut nearly 4,000 employees while bringing in roughly the same number of visa workers over the past three years. Tesla faces lawsuits alleging the replacement of thousands of American workers with cheaper foreign labor. Amazon, despite claims of automation, secured more than 12,000 visas in 2025 alone.

Executives benefit from this strategy: every announcement of “AI layoffs” drives stock prices higher and boosts their compensation. Policies such as the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act further incentivize offshoring by lowering tax rates on overseas profits.

While AI is genuinely replacing some jobs—particularly in content moderation, customer service, and IT support—corporations are also using the technology as a convenient narrative to mask cost-cutting and labor exploitation. Unemployment among U.S. computer engineering graduates has tripled in a year, and many new graduates are struggling to secure entry-level roles that have been systematically reduced.

The long-term risk mirrors the manufacturing exodus to China in the 1980s and 1990s: a hollowing out of U.S. jobs while overseas economies flourish.

Train people in India/Engine.” Translation…”here’s your rope, now, go make your noose and when training is complete we’ll meet you at the gallows to hang you.”

This company and its current CEO has NO MORALS. If you’re fooled by the old days when Chevron was a reputable and excellent company to work for listen up! Us old guys can alert you young guys to the dangers that lie ahead. They will cut you off before your official retirement.

Use Chevron to job hop. If you don’t know what that is, learn on TikTok. Use them just long enough (2 or 3 years) to make starter money and get experience, then use that to land your next best job with higher pay….and do that 2 or three times to get your salary up so you can make really good money during your most productive years. Do this while you’re still young enough to get enough years in at a good company that has a history of allowing people to retire and collect a full pension. Chevron now has a pattern of eliminating the old guys once they’ve properly trained their replacements. I know, I was eliminated in their last round of layoffs and now in this latest round I’m watching really good people get eliminated, while they’re too old in a really bad job market in the US, to get rehired. They did it to me and I never got rehired. Retirement doesn’t look for me anything like I had envisioned. DO NOT believe for ONE SECOND that that pension will be paid out to you for a “full retirement.” It’s a carrot dangling on a stick to keep you hopping. Do not give them your best income-producing years believing in that pension!!!!! It’s as disgusting as a man who divorces his wife after their last child turns 18 so he can avoid paying child-support and only have to pay alimony. This is NO DIFFERENT. Don’t be their bi--h.

If you quit by 35 or 40 you can still get part of your pension and you’re young enough to use your Fortune 500 experience to launch into a company that has a better history of allowing it’s pensioners to retire with dignity. Chevron now has a trend of “restructuring/reorganization” every five years to hire cheaper workers and cut off pensions. If you’re over 50 at Chevron you are “in scope” for elimination. One way or another you will be ELIMINATED just like a cockroach.

LAYOFFS CONFIRMED THROUGH NOVEMBER:

"Accenture Revenue Rises 7% as Layoffs Continue Through November"

https://www.entrepreneur.com/en-in/news-and-trends/accenture-revenue-rises-7-as-layoffs-continue-through/497601

JOB OPENINGS BY COUNTRY BASED ON LINKEDIN NUMBERS (DATA AS OF SEPT 26, 2025)

LinkedIn Accenture Job Openings in India: 26,000+ Accenture Jobs in India
(several in recruiting, which is an indicator of offshoring only increasing)

LinkedIn Accenture Job Openings in the USA: 1,000+ Accenture Jobs in United States

LinkedIn Accenture Job Openings in the UK: 324 Accenture Jobs in United Kingdom

Other (selected) countries: 110 Accenture Jobs in Costa Rica, 283 Accenture Jobs in Argentina, 238 Accenture Jobs in Brazil, 164 Accenture Jobs in México, 162 Accenture Jobs in DACH (Germany, Switzerland, Austria), 104 Accenture Jobs in France, 248 Accenture Jobs in Spain, 335 Accenture Jobs in China

Would be hard to believe there is a sale of a 145 year old company. But a Polaris project employee reorganization (reduction) is more likely. My guess, if you don’t need to physically turn the pipe. Your job will be sent elsewhere.

Good luck everyone.

Wanted to bring up something that has been bothering me for quite some time, and I believe it's important for us to have some meaningful discussion about it with those charged with the responsibility. Have you noticed that none of the senior leadership team ever formally addresses any of the serious concerns raised on this forum, Peakon surveys, or other feedback channels? Significant, non-trivial concerns such as offshoring plans, aggressive US layoff plans, loss of experienced workers, hiring freezes, shifting workload concerns, RTO policies, office closure plans, growth hubs vs. non-growth hubs, separations vs. severance plans and decisions, work-from-home status, and quality of life concerns are all left unanswered.

All the management rhetoric we've been programmed to embody in our core pillars and principles now feels empty and hollow. It feels quite odd and frankly, very disheartening, that these significant issues are continuously brought up by employees either directly or through forums like this but never receive any formal acknowledgment or response from senior leadership. Why is that? How is it ever acceptable to continue to ignore these employee concerns? Where does SH and the People Team stand?

It stands to reason that it is crucial for this leadership team to be transparent and responsive to the concerns of their employees. Addressing these issues head-on would not only provide clarity but also help in building trust and improving the overall morale within the organization. Given the widespread fear, uncertainty, and doubt that continues to spread, is there any reason we should be confident in our future success or direction with this firm? If we can't answer this question with absolute certainty and conviction, then clearly a restart is the only option.

Almost every single 40 something CL28 I talk to is being told they have executive potential. DO NOT BELIEVE IT! There will be very few promotions to 29+ especially as the company continues to shrink and offshore jobs to the BTC. The company is luring to you because they need you around a little longer while they ramp up the BTC. It is a LIE to keep you working at ExxonMobil until you are older and have fewer options outside the company. By 2030 the truth will become apparent but by that time it will be too late for you to find another job due to age discrimination. Do not believe their lies and do not delay your exit while you are still young enough to find another job and move on. Even a temporary pay reduction is worth it. In a few years you will be making more especially when considering they are planning below inflation raises for the foreseeable future. #Exxodus

The plan prices are way way too high. The india labor will drive customers away. That is why customers are leaving. They are leaving due to high plan price. The phone plan prices are so large and keep dropping in quality. Each time the company has 8 to 1 india employees, the customers will just leave to another phone carrier.

Between layoffs, RTO, increased offshoring, and other forms of attrition, it feels like I’m standing on ground that’s slowly melting away. Great for morale, of course.

Pre Install CX pros were hit with layoffs this morning, and I’m sure other departments were affected as well. Some really good people were let go. It’s frustrating to see some of the more dedicated employees I’m sure replaced with cheaper offshore labor

I heard there’s going to be more major layoffs in ETX before year end or in January. Rumor is they’re bringing in Salesforce, Microsoft and AWS consultants to do all new work and then offshore teams and managers will support after that. Apparently they want 90% offshore by end of 2026 and are already at 75%

Contact your local senate office for the district you live in. Bring as much light to this as you can because if he has his way all americans will be out of a job soon. All he cares about is India and now Manchester his homeland.

The Halting International Relocation of Employment (HIRE) Act was introduced in the Senate on September 5, 2025, by Senator Bernie Moreno (R-Ohio). The bill seeks to tackle the offshoring of U.S. jobs by creating significant financial disincentives for companies that hire foreign workers for services ultimately benefiting U.S. consumers.

I hate that Halliburton is such a layoff happy company. Many of us were laid off recently and told that we could be subject to call back. Not so fast. I talked to my friend who still works at JRC, and he told me that the PGL's and the leadership have been having meetings since Monday about another layoff list. He said that November layoffs are a fact and that an additional 30% will be let go. Some areas will close and others will merge together. He said the order books are being manipulated to make the employees think that everything is ok. in his area, no new work is being released. He told me that some operations are currently being moved to Oklahoma and some sent overseas.

Please spread the word and prepare others for November.

Don't know, how many of us here are IT, but when I've heard about new TRUMP fee for indian workers - I started liking my president.
Currently the ratio if indian:non-indian in our IT is 9:1, and the major drawback of that (excepr the reverse discrimination) is knowledge leaking abroad and lower earnings level in the US.
Time and time again I saw indians cominfg in for a year or two, being traned and then replaced by their new "friends" - leading to constant training and losses.
What do you think?

This amuses me. Meanwhile they have destroyed the careers of millions of people. But that’s ok.

Trump needs to put a tariff on offshoring.

India IT manufacturing team has been here on North Campus for the past month. Last year they got rid of the Philippines IT team and moved all their applications to India. confident the same thing is happening again for US owned apps. Also, seems they are targeting tenured but not confirmed.

All the other services have been on a downtrend, now it looks like the PBM side is being impacted. Doesn't seem like Evernorth is trying very hard to maintain its growth. With them already announcing that they're building "offshore campuses" a few months back seems like they'll be cutting a lot of people soon.