It’s here to make you leave. And the conditions will only get tougher and harder to meet over time. It’s not that leadership doesn’t care about the difficulties RTO creates, they’re actively trying to make people fed up enough to quit, or set them up so they can fire them with an excuse. It’s that simple. The best move is to look for other opportunities, do the bare minimum here, and force them to lay you off with severance. I don’t see any other option.
Posts mentioning hashtag #rto
Below are all the posts — topics as well as replies — that mention the hashtag #rto.
Mention #rto in your post to continue the discussion!
What's the deal with F RTO popping up on the screens?
One had a picture of JF. All screens on DDL are off. Drop deets of you have em
After being fully remote for 2 years, may need to start hybrid, no clarity around expectations
I was hired as a fully remote employee, which makes sense since none of my colleagues live near me. After 1 year as a remote employee my manager informed me that I may need to begin coming into the office as a hybrid employee, but for what reason? Regardless, all of my meetings will be remote, so how does it matter where I work from?
Also, the company has not given any clarification on when the hybrid mode will begin, how many days will be required, and where I will be located?
As of now, I plan to ignore this requirement, as it seems entirely superflous, a waste of my time, and a waste of gas.
Is anyone else struggling w/ RTO orders?
I have been having trouble sleeping and waking up at 3am every morning in with severe anxiety. Is anyone else struggling with this work order?
I’m not sure if it’s the imminent disruption to my daily life, having to find and pay for before/after school childcare and someone to let my elderly dogs outside daily, having to buy a 2nd car so my husband can also get to his office, spending a bunch of money (that nobody has) on a work wardrobe, having to sit at the office alone all day with no team or if it’s just the blatant disregard this company has for their employees. How can this be legal? How can shareholder support a company that operates like this?
I feel like with the pressure and struggles that everyone is feeling in today’s political and financial climate, companies like this are losing the respect and support of the people. The pressure cooker is on high and the lid is rumbling.
RTO: 25% of bossess hint layoffs are the real purpose of RTO
New research suggests many companies have used return-to-office (RTO) mandates as a tool to reduce headcount. A BambooHR survey of over 1,500 U.S. managers found that one-quarter of C-suite executives admitted they hoped RTO policies would prompt voluntary resignations. One in five HR professionals acknowledged that their in-office requirements were specifically designed to make staff quit.
Nearly 40 percent of managers surveyed said their organizations eventually turned to layoffs because not enough workers left after RTO mandates were introduced. The report concludes that "RTO mandates are layoffs in disguise," echoing a sentiment long suspected by employees.
The backlash to rigid office policies has been well-documented. Amazon faced one of the largest employee protests, with about 30,000 workers signing a petition and more than 1,800 pledging to walk out in opposition to its RTO requirement. Many staffers described updating their résumés and job hunting immediately after the mandate.
Data shows that 99 percent of companies with RTO mandates have seen lower employee engagement, nearly half have experienced higher-than-expected attrition, and 29 percent are struggling to recruit. BambooHR’s research further found that about one-third of employees would consider quitting if forced back to the office, even if fewer ultimately follow through.
The findings highlight a growing divide between leadership strategies and employee expectations, raising questions about the long-term costs of rigid return-to-office enforcement.
https://fortune.com/2025/09/30/bosses-admit-return-to-office-mandates-meant-to-make-staff-quit/
RTO dress code
Our whole team is rto. Will the dress code be what it was when we were in the office pre covid? Many comments on here about the lack of janitors. How bad is it in the Minnetonka location? Are the restaurants still open?
Layoffs: Home or Office
If they were to do layoffs would they be more likely to do them when we were actually physically present in the office?
Return to office
It has been said time and time again that Return to Office is not mandated. Yet leadership has mentioned that there will be people walking around auditing who is present. Has Cisco gone full on micro managing?
WFH posting pause
Can we please go one day without a WFH/RTO post on this site.
Hours now being tracked
Must be in office 8+ hours with no exceptions. Hammers coming down. Charley and Flowers out for blood. This company is the pits
Lawsuits over coming to work
Can't wait for half of this board to walk into the lawyers office and ask them to sue because they had to work an 8 hour day.
5 Day RTO - bye bye
Employee survey results woke him up
Another round in March?
Do we think there will be another layoff round in March to line up with the RTO phase 2s?
I’ve heard could be two rounds and lots and lot of restructuring. Anyone heard the same?
How do we collaborate in office when our mouse clicks are being tracked?
If a coworker talks to us for 30 mins in the hall and we can’t touch our computer does that mean we have to stay an extra 30 mins in the office?
Shoe dropped for tech 8 hours in office.
New in office expectations stated for tech.
Don’t comply you’ll get fired. Pretty much it.
And the implied threat of we don’t we could go to 4 days in office.
F@@k this place.
4 days in office mandate
How is this going to be enforced? It appears that only certain departments complied to the 3:2.
RTO
I am in HR. I haven’t heard anything about 4 days or 8 hours? Anyone else in HR hear about this? Does it apply to the HR LOB?
High severance employees targeted
I know alot of the items on this site give insight to what may or may not be occurring but I was recently let go and was here 27 years. I was pretty sure our department was going to have cuts so I was not shocked when I got the meeting from my manager for a random 1 on 1. What I was shocked about was that my severance which I was forecasting to be roughly a years check be dwindled down to 12 weeks due to me missing training by 2 days last year and RTO because I wasnt in office or on network long enough. I argued that this isnt fair and I was told the policies are in place for a reason so management is definitely targeting high severance people and doing what they can to make sure they don't get it. My case is not a one off either I've seen many others have the same issues here. I was in Westboro and all our jobs are gone to florida soon. Just please heed my warning and have common sense that this place doesnt want to pay a year upfront to anyone and will dig and find any reason not too. Im lucky im able to retire in a year so im not concerned about this too much, I just find It very sad this is how they treated me after so long.
I LOVE RTO....
.... if RTO == "Really Tempting Offer" to work somewhere else! XD
Refusing to do RTO?
For those that have a RTO order and continued to WFH, have you faced any consequences?
JPL Layoffs - September 2025
JPL employees warned of October layoffs during reorganization
https://nasawatch.com/personnel-news/jplers-get-layoff-update-letter/
Companies and locations: NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA, JPL Human Resources
JPL staff received an HR email referencing a Phase Two reorganization and potential layoffs in October, with warnings that a large portion of the workforce could be impacted by mid October 2025. The note also referenced return to office requirements for remaining teleworkers.
Employees were advised to update personal contact information and to move personal items off JPL devices, highlighting the seriousness of the restructuring timeline.
CONFIRMED - Received Warning today about 8 hours
I am in corp risk and my manager told me I am on the list of those not maintaining 8 hours in the office.
We are warned to maintain 8 hours otherwise it might be used in performance review.
This is becoming scary.
RTM - Return to Moon - it’s true!! 4 days a week on the Moon starting October 21
Yea that’s right folks, we are returning to the moon. Damn.
/s RTO was apparently a big honeypot here or at best an outright lie
CSBB return to office 4 days
Anyone know?
Any news on what next connect week schedule will be like?
Increase of days? Same schedule?
8 is great
Hey, forcing people back to push attrition. Using policies that will disproportionately affect older workers and primary caregivers. All while pi----g off in demand people that can leave if they have a chance. What could go wrong? 8 is great.
What We Deserve
It's become so clear from this forum that we all hate each other and cannot agree to collectively take action on anything.
This place has become so miserable over the last few years I'm actively rooting for Juan to announce the end of remote at this point so we all suffer.
Office work - not for me
I gave it a chance and tried going to the office in Bratislava 5 days a week. My assessment is that it is a total waste of time and money, since most of my colleagues are in the USA, I just sit among strangers. Zero collaboration, zero added value for the company. As a person from the IT environment, I receive offers for remote or hybrid, it is probably time to reflect on them and leave. Life is too short to fulfill the wet dreams of outdated management.
Has latest RTO push fizzled ?
Article from WSJ/Linkedin https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/workplace/return-to-office-workers-fail-3d966807
Possible things would turn around w.r.t RTO.
8 hours a day RTO across the industry
I took a look at the layoff boards for other banks. They've been complaining about the same things we do about RTO. It's not just us.
Do not go into the office 8 hours a day
If we all band together and collectively don’t follow the 8 hours in office, it’ll create so much extra work for mangers, hr, etc. The documented discussions, write ups, pips, involving HR.
They are already extremely tired of hearing and talking about RTO.
I’m not saying don’t go in at all or coffee badge. Get your 3/4 days in and stay 4-6 hours. But don’t do anymore. Show them that we are willing to go in and put our time in but not for 8 hours.
RTO Mandates
First.... employee RTO mandates looming at Big Green while outsourcing many positions to contact labor that won't be subjected to RTO like employees. 🤔🤷🏻♀️
Second....
https://www.inc.com/joe-procopio/return-to-office-mandates-are-about-to-backfire/91244646
_
@OP+1k65v2bkx: Your frustration with the 8-hour RTO mandate is spot-on—expecting 4am office arrivals for India calls is absurd and screams mismanagement. The badge-tracking data, as you said, is a legal landmine; law firms could feast on it for discrimination suits (e.g., targeting women or over-40s, per @av
). Morale’s in the gutter—Glassdoor’s 3.7/5 culture score and 2025 Worker Stress Survey confirm it. @bm ’s right: this isn’t about coffee badging but execs chasing stock prices while alienating talent. Wells Fargo’s solid on paper (A+ Fitch rating, 5-star BauerFinancial, >10% CET1 ratio), but its toxic culture—echoing Tolstedt/Stumpf days—drives churn.
To show regulators and outsiders how bad it is: Log RTO impacts anonymously (e.g., Google Forms) and tip CFPB (consumerfinance.gov/complaint).
Flood Wells’ engagement surveys with blunt feedback—leak results to media.
Post on X (#WellsFargoRTO) or Glassdoor to amplify.
Collective action is key—solo moves risk retaliation. @aa+1k66fwnj9, keep planning that exit; this bank’s stable but broken. #RTO #Morale #Banking
@OP
+1k66fwnj9: Your point about employees “checking out” and doing the bare minimum under Wells Fargo’s RTO policy rings true, and it’s a symptom of deeper issues. I wouldn’t call severance a “golden parachute” either—those are reserved for executives, not the rank-and-file waiting out retirement. The churn you mention, especially among younger talent, aligns with what I’ve seen: Wells Fargo attracts good people with competitive pay and benefits but loses them fast due to a toxic, command-and-control culture. @aa+1k66fwnj9, you’re wrong. The bank’s reputation is not universally “evil” --especially outside these walls—millions spent on PR post-account scandal helped. But let’s look at the numbers to see where Wells stands. Using the following prompt to evaluate Wells Fargo’s performance:
"Provide a detailed evaluation of Wells Fargo’s performance as a bank, focusing on its financial health, regulatory ratings, credit ratings, and customer satisfaction. Include regulatory assessments (e.g., CAMELS, stress tests, asset caps), credit ratings (Moody’s, S&P, Fitch), insights from research/surveys (e.g., ABA, BauerFinancial), ‘too big to fail’ status, and key financial metrics (e.g., ROA, capital ratios, revenue growth). Use recent data and cite sources like FDIC or Federal Reserve where applicable. "Here’s the reality: Wells Fargo is financially solid but struggling with trust and morale. It’s a G-SIB (“too big to fail”), with ~$1.9T in assets and a 2.5% capital surcharge, passing 2025 Fed stress tests (CET1 ratio >10%). Credit ratings are strong: Fitch (A+, stable), Moody’s (A1, stable), S&P (A-, stable), reflecting resilience despite litigation risks. BauerFinancial gives it 5 stars for safety, and ABA surveys show 94% customer satisfaction with service. But dig deeper—consumer reviews (e.g., WalletHub) average 2-3/5, citing fees and poor service. Accenture ranks Wells mid-tier for digital experience, and employees on boards like this echo psychological strain from rigid management. This bank’s size and stability draw talent, but its culture—evident in RTO pushback and your “checked out” colleagues—drives them away. @aa+1k66fwnj9, you could retire and thrive elsewhere, like I did, building a business with less stress. Management’s policies, from RTO to past scandals, keep morale low and risk another PR hit. Charlie’s leadership may not land him in jail, but 200,000 frustrated employees venting online isn’t helping. My advice: set boundaries, plan your exit, and don’t bank on a “parachute” from a bank that’s stable but stuck. #RTO #Morale #Banking
RTO policy isn’t going to make people quit
Most of the people in my building are 50+, many 55+ and 5-10 years from retirement who have long checked out and are just waiting it out for either retirement or to get their golden parachute. RTO is only making people more checked out and they are just doing the bare minimum and playing the game while cashing their paycheck which I see no problem with. The only people I see who might leave are a few younger ones who might be able to find remote work but those are definitely the minority. Another failed policy from WF and management is always wondering why this company doesn’t attract talent and morale is low….
8hr a Day? Bridget and Charlie...the new Tolstedt and Stumpf
My group wasn't told this, who said this? I have most my calls from 6am to 10am with people in India. Do they expect me to get up at 4am to get to the office by 6am to take these calls? It's not going to happen, and i don't like threats. A word of warning to management. You track this stuff, you now have discoverable data that any outside law firm can get a court request for.. They will love to slice and dice that data to see different classes of workers doing different hours. Law firms love suing big banks for stuff like this, and with data like this, its a gold mine.
New RTO guidance is complete BS and lies
So the guidance is that you need to work a full 8 hours but should still feel free to pick up your kids or attend medical appointments etc? I literally asked what happens if it’s snowing and I need to leave a little early to pick my kid up before school closes or my kid is sick and I need to get them and the answers was find a way to be here 8 hours/ find another day to come 8 hours or you risk being ‘noncompliant’ which may impact your performance LOL so the real answer is that the RTO guide that was sent to managers is straight up BS and there is zero flexibility for unexpected events. Feeling so tired of this company which I’ve foolishly worked hard for all these years. We are truly unappreciated and disposable.
Slow service rollout for re:Invent?
Why is Matt Garmin complaining ??? Slow rollouts were self-inflicted !!
With 27000 layoffs, ridiculous RTO commutes, massive attrition, obviously rollouts will be slower. Vibe coding/Kiro just adds to the problem - having to fix all of the broken that MCP Servers introduces. Why not just hire talented remote devs, comp them well like NVIDIA? Problem solved!
And his release of Q was also a disaster at re:Invent. What's the point of rushing releases ??
Rigid RTO and ADA
Has anyone ran into the issue of the rigid RTO and ADA accommodations for a condition where remote work is warranted?
Do reports show hours in the office now?
When did it start? And how does the reporting actually look?