Thread regarding Ford layoffs

If ford can own Michigan, your manager can CERTAINLY own your evenings

Sadly you will have to play the game for now but its time to get out. You don't have a manager, you have a Bully. You must of skills so take those skills somewhere that will treat you like a person.

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Because documenting, gathering evidence, reporting to HR or Speak Up or EEOC or QUIT etc. as suggested below works perfectly right? 🤣

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@ap

"No" is a complete sentence and doesn't require any further elaboration.

@ah

Cut is better than what OP describes.

If all that extra work is necessary in the supervisors mind, then the supervisor is free to devote their unpaid time to the corporation.

@ac

Or not. I'm Gen X. The OG slackers and I've perpetuated that image here for years on end. No extra time wasted at or on work. Certainly no nights, weekends, holidays, vacation, etc.

Guess what? Paychecks hit the same ‐ 34 hours of work avoidance or 70 hours nose to grindstone. Hopefully you smarten up before too many of your finite hours are thrown away for Ford.

@a2 Depends on what level you are at in the company. If you're an LL2 you better answer your phone but if you are a GSR no.

@OP Go to jobs on line and look for a different position. Also start documenting the times that he calls and the subject matter. After you have enough documentation, go to HR and file a report on him. Another suggestion is to document all the time you are on the phone with him after hours and document time on your timesheet for overtime. Your time is your time not his/hers.

@a4

And that always leads to amazing outcomes at Ford, right?

@a2

This is a "career"? 🤣🤣🤣

@cj

If I'm not employed here (forced or not) I have no ability to hamper progress and thwart productivity here.

But I'm sure you already knew that, even before you "contributed"

on the plus side, it's cool to hear about new people getting into bowling! a neglected pasttime.

@cj Rage bait. We aren’t foolish. You want to pull on strings acting d-mb.

My god, people! If you don’t like it, don’t answer, if they fire you, then that’s ok because you weren’t willing to work under their conditions. Why does everyone here act like they are forced to work in these conditions?

This is easy to fix. Start calling your boss at 2 AM “with a question.” If you can’t bowl, your boss can’t sleep. Just kidding just a joke. Seriously, don’t say anything to your boss or complain. Just look for a new job and leave. This is a red flag for issues and will only get worse.

Can't even go bowling because of your manager? Some ba--s!

@a4

"It is actually a good thing that their PL is turning to them to solve problems."

Oh, you dull creature. This was a rich one, thank you. What a tone deaf statement.

Tell him you’ll skip bowling right after his wife skips her next ‘team-building session.’

@OP

Wow sounds like you have an S.O.B. for a people leader. Also sounds like you failed to create boundaries. Now you know not to let that happen again. Tell your people leader he may outrank you during business hours (for what thats worth) but after hours, he holds no authority. Here is where it helps to have 6 months to a year of savings. In whatever way you choose, tell him your personal time is yours, and he can rightly pi-s off. Make him take action of he doesn’t like that flavor of shoe polish up his a$$. He can fire you if he sees fit. But at all costs - make...him...do it. Do not quit unless you find something better, and by all means find something better.

In my early career I established quickly what I was willing to tolerate and what I wasn’t in terms of work life boundaries. I found people respected that boundary when I enforced it, but I was also not risk averse, and was willint to walk away at the drop of a dime if I sensed any toxicity. That said it quickly became a goal of mine to get into leadership so that I could do better

Didn’t have a life in my first few years either. Go somewhere and make less money and have better work life balance if you want that. This is as normal as sun rises every day, okay? Jensen works this hard fwiw.

Calmer heads prevail friend. Don’t do anything rash. Trying to match their energy logically makes sense— but don’t do that. Keep cool. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Put on a smile and set boundaries kindly

If this is true, this is un fu--ing believable. I understand deadlines, something that has to be done, but every time, fu-k it. Push that off, document every case. I'm not sure if HR or the Department of Labor will help, but keep a log of every case. At some point, enough is enough.

OP same here and I have a sh---y people leader and also an advisor, can’t even have a life on weekends as well expects me to show up to work at 8 am Saturday and deliver by Monday morning

@an I am out of polite ways to confront him. How are you dealing with it? I do care about my career but not at the price of giving up my sanity and life.

Set and enforce boundaries.

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The rest can wait

If you ever consider doing a little extra, going above and beyond, making personal sacrifices ‐ remember how much senior leadership cares about us and match that energy!

It’s overreach by the manager, and possibly the company (more on this later). That said, it’s up to you to set boundaries. You can start by determining your core working hours and written company guidelines. If there isn’t anything in writing that says you must be available and ready to work during certain non-standard hours, they cannot hold you to this. Then you simply have to draw a line and stand up for yourself when pressed. If you are not on call, work ends at 5. Period. If they need to connect with you, they can do it asynchronously or sometime during the next working hours.

If the manager try’s to link this negatively to your performance or working relationship, then you may file a complaint with HR. You’d be surprised to learn that most companies do not actually want toxic leadership in their ranks. HR typically wouldn’t let this go on, especially if you’re young and have no social support systems like friends, family, and community etc. to protect yourself externally. That said, if HR doesn’t back you up, and there is nothing in writing that allows this behavior, then you may have legal recourse, which unfortunately may not be adequate against the Lincoln lawyer and their infinite resources and wisdom against your naivety. Best of luck

Go on, dont give a sh-t about these mo--ns, they are not worth your time

You are a salaried employee. He is asking you to play a larger role as an active contributor.

You’re not gonna get a bonus or raise for “stepping up”. No one outside of your team is going to see you “going the extra mile outside of office hours”. Further, your manager isn’t going to see it as standing out because he expects you to do it. @OP loses, won’t get any recognition, and he’ll have a worse work life balance. Only the manager wins.

If you think otherwise you’re naïve, or you’re one of these managers. Even 50k more isn't enough to take over my evenings or weekends. And if it is for you, that should be explicitly called out in the offer letter or work agreement. Don’t let them isolate you into losing aspects of your life outside of Ford. Don’t let them make you feel bad because they get insecure. You don't get to treat people like sh-t because you're on the strong side of a sh---y, imbalanced power dynamic.

Be a team player. Be available. You are being called for a reason. If not, you will be among the first cut. There will be many cuts. But you will be the last on the list. Don't have to outrun the bear. Just have to outrun the dead weight ones.

@OP. IDK anything about you, but here is a very brief description of what is happening: your manager is a bully. The more you do the bully's whishes, the more you'll be bullied. Hopefully, you learned this in school. If not, I would advice you to learn it now.

You are the most important person in your life. You do you first. Work is needed, so you want to be respectful and professional. That also means not taking sh-t of anybody. People MUST respect you. No need of tears and tantrums for that. Just be firm and polite when talking to your boss.

I would also advice to record your conversations with your manager. No need to tell your LL6 about it. Do it in case you must need to go to a lawyer. Then ask your manager what is required for the position, make sure you read your contract first, so you can point the differences between what the company asks of you, and whatever the bully wants.

I am expecting you are in an exempt position. COMP time is something you can negotiate, just make sure you take it. I know cases they had weeks of unused COMP time, because they never had time to take it. Don't fall in it. Now, after you both agree to the rules of the game, you send your LL6 an email detailing all the conversation and what was agreed. That is the first "cover your behind" step. The recording is the last one.

Don't be afraid to push for what you want, including what times you are off, what bonus to expect, what would appear in your reviews, etc. Let me tell you something, that LL6 is pushing your buttons, but he/she will not reward your efforts. The LL6 will backtrack as soon as the next review. So why spending time and effort in this? Call it a learning moment. You'll find bullies in all the companies. You must learn to establish boundaries.

If you are let go in the next layoff round (this year), then at least you got with you the learning experience. If you don't get laid off this year, then you have more time to find another job. Don't wait. Start right now. Knowing you are already searching for the next job, will give you a sense of "what do I care about my position?", which is very good when negotiating with your LL6.

Good luck!

@aa I put it on do not disturb once. Didn't answer after hours. The next day, he got to lecturing me like how I am not responsible, during team meeting in front of others. I felt so shamed and afraid I now just have it on.

You need to put your foot down early on in your career. There are some sh---y managers who prey on the young minds, make them have a slave mentality which then later on develops anxiety and stress related issues.
Tackle them as early as possible, shut your laptop down at 5pm no exceptions and be firm and learn to say NO.

@a8 Doesn't work. They are super Mach-E fans and became even more pi---d off when I said I am not interested in buying one. Idk what the fk is going on in their head but it's borderline bullying. They make fun of my car and I can’t afford a better one on my current salary

Movers and shakers need to be nimble as they cull the herd. You need great work ethnic to get ahead. Layoffs are looming and not stopping anytime soon unless you are on the front line producing or running the show. Work to stay ahead of your team and you will survive and move up.

Been your shoes asked to work 7 am - 6pm. I have to update him about my weekends as well. Literally emails for every weekend. Broke my silence and raise my voice. They shifted me under another manager that started their own fiefdom because I went to ER while working. I was happy as my manager changed, but they were slowly planning my exit, got poor rating, and then terminated. I worked with many managers in my 10 yrs career, but this was worse. So sometimes you just have to accept and keep preparing for the next opportunity or internal switch. Also, document it like a call timing screenshot. I know this will not add much, but it helps to defend.

Why do you have your phone on you after work hours? Turn that sh*t off and live your life. If your manager doesn’t like it I would look elsewhere in our outside of Ford. A bad manager can make your life he-l.

@a4 This is a safe space, no need to use the garbage "people leader" jargon. Boss is entirely cool

@a6 Your manager sounds even worse than mine. I'm sorry to hear this. At least I am not expected to join meetings on weekends. Have you try talking to your manager about it?