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i heard 90% of CIO is gunna be non american..
Training your own offshore replacement ===> Being on the next layoffs list
No one can tariff a job that has been outsourced
Time to put a 500% tariff on anyone who misspells that word. You've had plenty of opportunities to learn how.
It is is absolutely right to question the 270 thousand jobs being sent to India primarily and then to other countries. Virtually every job (with the exception of the executive jobs in the US) is outsourced to these countries even if does not raise even a penny in revenue and the job can be eliminated. It is the reason why Alvind get his medals from Modi for his "job migration and transfer" services to the motherland.
AI is efficient and cost effective, so why are the jobs being sent anywhere outside the US ? Alvind talked about elimination more than 10 thousand jobs in the US in 2024 as a result of AI implmentation. So how are these eliminated jobs popping up in India? Another "Lift and Shift" operation under the table from corrupt IBM India management ? IBM has become nothing more than another employer for India's workers, even if the workers are not generating any sustainable profit for the company. It's an unsustainable enterprise for the long term. No company, especially IBM which is losing revenue every quarter needs 270 THOUSAND workers ! That number needs to be reduced to 27 THOUSAND. Yesterday.
If you are in the US, contact your local State Representatives and Senators and let them know that this jobs migration by IBM 9still a public US company) has to stop. It is nothing but a scam run by Alvind Klishna and his cabal of crooked IBM executives.
I question the existence of those 270 thousand jobs.
IBM has been shrinking for decades, yet we still have all those jobs? Why? What is going on in India? What do they really do over there? Am I to believe that we have hundreds of thousands of foreigners doing sales, consulting and tech support? Really?
At one time, I could understand the desire for labor arbitrage. I didn't agree with it, but I could understand it. That was many divisions ago...but now? What does IBM do with its alleged 270 thousand employees? I don't see THAT many mainframe sales...I don't hear about THAT much IBM-brand software being sold. What are they all doing?
Don't you mean that Alvind is taking IBM to the cleaners ? That is exactly what he and his Pipmunks are doing. They are vultures adept at stripping the flesh from the bones on the IBM carcass.
You should not think of improvements when you move IBM jobs from the US to India. They do everything manually there and it takes forever to get the same sort of efficiencies that we take for granted in the US. They don't work smarter, so it is like driving an ox-cart on a 200 mph motorway with faster cars speeding all around you..
Demanding that IBM hire more US employees is putting the cart before the horse. IBM has been selling off everything that is not nailed down. Lines of business...intellectual property...factories...plant equipment...real estate...the list is endless.
IBM allegedly has 270 thousand plus employees, many of them in foreign countries. This many employees, for a company that provides legacy products to legacy customers. What do all those employees do? How many of those alleged employees are really working?
If IBM were a purely US company, then it would probably have 27 thousand employees, and not 270 thousand. Alvind is no doubt taking IBM to the bank, along with his cohorts in management.
Cracking down on offshore employees does not have the impact of bring jobs back to the US. Its not a zero sum gain like Trump thinks it is,
Yes 100% H1B is corrupt, and needs to be abolished, and something else brought in. But your issue is that the duty of any listed company is to the shareholders not to the employees (no matter where the Employees might be located). And while this is the case, and while nobody is looking to change this dynamic, jobs in the US will continue to be lost in order to preserve shareholder value.
You need to much much more than just slap a tax on offshoring. All that will happen is companies will look to make savings elsewhere, in order to protect the shareholder value. They not going to just employ higher cost people
The truth hurts - so IBM management and the system administrator remove posts that are deemed hurtful to Alvind and company. In business, IBM is trending down, not up. You can run, but you cannot hide from the truth about US layoffs. Even if you pay world renowned liars like Cramer to say positive things about IBM. India Business Machines is on the way out.
Tariffs may be hard to manage, but corporate tax penalties are not. Just leverage heavy corporate taxes on corporations using offshore IT staff. If it gets to the point of thousands or tens of thousands, automatically tax the corporation an additional 30%. If the company is caught deliberately lying about their offshore workforce, double the penalties.
Why are posts mysteriously disappearing from this thread? There was one about foreign students attending our colleges and another one about Caterpillar IT using 10000 offshore IT people. Absolutely nothing derogatory in either reply and the replies only state the facts.
It's really simple - most foreign universities (apart from ones in Europe) have nothing much to offer whether it is their curriculum or the ability to offer their graduates the opportunity for good and steady employment after graduation. Foreign students have recognized this and have taken advantage of this trend for decades; Free scholarships were given many who applied for admission and jobs were plentiful. But no more - at some point the music stops and the party ends. You can't get something for nothing forever. With the current Trump administration, there appears to be no intention of kicking the can down the road, particularly as regards jobs. If you cannot pay the full tuition and room and board at a US University, it's time to stay in your country. There are more than enough unemployed Americans and you just have to see the news to know that AI is going to make things a whole lot worse in a short time.
I'm afraid that putting tariffs on outsourcing jobs from the US, does not ensure that jobs come back to the US. Salesforce job cuts was AI not outsourcing.
I 100% agree H1B is flawed, and abused and needs to be cut down drastically, but as farmers are finding out, putting tariffs on other countries does not mean it improves your current situation. All that happens is the multi-national companies (who is only who Trump cares about) find other ways to make the savings, and your still not going to get your job back, nor are those jobs coming back any time soon
India's IT sector nervous as US proposes outsourcing tax
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/india-s-it-sector-nervous-as-us-proposes-outsourcing-tax/ar-AA1MkxbY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=68c283fc2d3c4e0d817b5753095326bb&ei=29
Consider also passing limits on how many foreign students can attend our universities
Darn ! and we were so looking forward to having Alvind, Krabanaugh and RT being sent to El Salvador for televised soap antics in the showers.
I agree but so many companies are doing it. I just saw an article recently from the Caterpillar CIO bragging about their India IT workforce.
That's step 1. Step 2 is canceling and sending back all the H1Bs. Step 3 is investigating all the CEOs and execs (regardless of national origin) who have been abusing the system and exploiting the Indian workers just as much as they've been destroying American jobs. They can be given one way tickets to Uganda.
@bc Exactly, so go after the US corporations that offshore more than 10% of their workforce by taxing them and additional 47%. Hit the source of the problem.
Additional 47% tax on US companies offshoring more than 10% of their workforce, period. Yes, I've emailed my representative and Trump/WH. Hear only rumor that Trump is working on something along these lines. Email your Representative and Senators! We have to try.
I lost my job in an RA years ago, with "my work" going to Bangalore and Hortolandia. With that said, I don't believe in tariffs on employment. It's difficult to manage, doesn't provide a whole lot of benefits and causes a lot of distortion in the economy.
With that said, there's a lot of things that the US government COULD do (but probably won't). They could insist on US labor, just like they often do for defense and military work. Do you want the US government to be a customer? Then use US labor to make your products. The government could stop playing games with visas. They could reject and throw out more immigrants, legal or illegal.
I agree in spirit. I just wish I thought it would achieve something. But if you target one country, the jobs will just flow to a different low cost country and if you try to eliminate all of them, it will just speed up investments in the kind of AI that actually really could take jobs and actually really could be dangerous for society
Agree.
It should be closer to 500% to make up for all the lost jobs in the US for the past 25 years.