For those who left Ford voluntarily, how was the vacation days processed when you leave? If you have earned vacation days that were not used, did you get paid for those days in your last paycheck? If I use up all my vacation days will those days be deducted from my last paycheck? Did you have a meeting with HR such as exit interview right before you leave?
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@g9 In a company with a lack of any common sense, yes, it would be reasonable to be afraid of the repercussions. Not everyone is reasonable and decent, you don’t want to ask the wrong person and have it taken badly…. Some people use anything they can against you regardless of what’s right or decent.
You don't have to "lie" and say you're going to a competitor if you aren't. They could still find out and possible hit you for being untruthful and demanding reimbursement. Although I've never seen this done, why risk it?
Yes NEVER, EVER tell anyone (even work friends) where you are going. Ignore or never take any counter offers....ever.
Leave yourself some time between last day at Ford and your next position start date. You've earned the break.
@OP. The company will not reimburse the additional vacation days you purchased, but should prorate your "regular vacation days. The keyword here is SHOULD. A mistake I have seen is people using all the vacation days and leaving before end of year. Then, they "owe" the company vacation days, and it gets deducted from the last paycheck.
If you are leaving by your own will, I strongly advise you NOT to tell your manager or coworkers where you are going next. There have been cases where managers call the new place and say horrors of the ex-employee performance.
Final piece of advice... Unless you are looking to get a rest or vacation between jobs, give your 2 weeks notice on your planned last day of work at Ford. Tell your manager that you are going to a competitor, no need to mention who/where, and you'll get "fired" the same day, and will receive a paycheck for those 2 weeks, without having to be on site, dealing with the LLx harrasment and the FnF crowd.
If you leave on your own, you will not be compensated for unused vacation time. If you get laid off, you will probably get paid for unused vacation time.
Always take your vacation and holidays.
All the more reason to plan strategically and casually use them up to close to zero before you leave voluntarily. You don't get PTO or family flex days if you get laid off either. Use them up before you leave. Tell your next position you can't start for about a month and a half. Tell them you are being extremely courteous to your team you are leaving behind by seeing your projects off. Then use your days up before you get 2 weeks out from your start date. Either way you can plan it out so you get it all.
You get reimbursed if you get laid off, but you dont get anything if you leave volunteerily.
Use your P.B. and floating holiday first. Those days won't get reimbursed.
Speech to text mess up in my previous post
It should have said use up all your purchased vacation prior to retiring or leaving the company
Use up all year purchase vacation prior to leaving
Your vacation entitlement is 10% per month of employment so if you retire in June you get 60% of your vacation allowance
Accrued vacation will be paid in a separate check after you leave. HR will check with your supervisor to see what was used. BUT.. I used ALL my personal time, since this is not considered.
@J2 - spot on. Vacation accrual information is in the policy.
This is why you do the "unfair" thing such as using up your vacation for any reason you can think of BEFORE giving notice. Ideally when you give notice you should have no time left to payout or pro rate.
Although no direct personal experience with this at Ford, I know other companies who pro-rate the unused vacation time.
A crude example: say you have 20 days for the year. You leave on June 30 using 8 days only. Then you'd get 2 days worth of unused vacation time. But if have used up 12 days, I believe you would get a smaller check to account for those 2 extra days.
Someone please confirm if Ford does it the same way too...?
@g2 incompetent is a generous compliment to some of them. The thought that keeps going through my mind, when I hear about some of these things “who in their right mind”. Word of advice to everyone, don’t show any weakness or it will be exploited and we-ponized against you. There are some very cruel people here, knowing full well what they do is wrong.
Exactly. It is a simple question. So pray tell why this couldn't be handled by just simply asking the correct people this insanely simple, non-threatanting question? Were you afraid of backlash over this simple issue or something?
@fw There are decent HR people at the company that want both what's best for the employees and the company, believe it or not...
If you are reasonable, and you have a decent HR person, usually your interests should align with the company. That said, I do know a lot of employees are unreasonable and some management groups / HR people are incompetent.
The company is very afraid of the liability associated with incompetence in handling situations. In my experience, they'll usually step up when you show them you're just looking to move forward peacefully (if you have your ducks in line). All that said, what you have here is a minor squabble over vacation pay and no one is afraid of that as there's really not much liability in the scheme of things. It ain't right but what are you gonna do about it?
@fw Dude, what are you talking about, it's a simple question....
HR is only there to protect the company. Anything and everything they say should be taken with the understanding that this is the case. Sometimes the situation is mutually beneficial, but rest assured this is just the same as a broken clock being right twice a day. Pure happenstance and they do not have your best interests in mind unless it benefits them 1st or is the least costly to get them out of any situations they find themselves in.
The only way you can be eligible for emplacement with Ford ever again is if you leave on your own. If you are one of those misled souls that think working for them more than once is worth while, you'd better plan on leaving before they tell you to go. Otherwise they have the habit of depriving themselves of future talent that may become "more" qualified n the future. Quite possibly one of the most nonsensical policies I've seen aside from non-enforceable NDA's. But Ford is gonna "Ford" I guess.
Of course he does, what the he-l is wrong with you? haha Is this a question or are you saying he doesn't? It was rhetorical....of course he does. Geeze o' pease.
@bn But the Pope doesn't sh-t in the woods?
If previous notice was given of resignation there is literally nothing that can be done to punish the employee. If they have been professional, and unless HR makes an exit interview a contingency for receiving severance and the employee wishes to receive that severance, there is basically nothing HR can do to "punish" the employee for the rest of their time there. To try and present this in any other way is an attempt at intimidation and misdirection. Hopefully you aren't in charge of any decision making in that department or you''ll put them in some difficult situations. "At will" in the states that abide by it works in both directions and it'd be beneficial for both parties to keep that in mind, especially those parties that think they hold the balance of leverage. Qualified employees can just leave at any time for any reason and if they are sought after they will be employed again very quickly. In these cases, HR at Ford holds very little leverage against these individuals when they have made their mind up to leave and return all equipment and company property. Any attempts to control or dictate to the employee any additional obligations are the result of hurt feelings and spitefulness.
@at Check with your local HR before following this posters advice. In some areas, failure to date in the office is severely punished.
Unless it's contingent on your receiving your severance, decline the exit interview. There is literally no point. You've given notice if this was voluntary and there's nothing more to say. It's 100 percent for their benefit and no upside for you. Waste of your time.
Does the Pope $hit in the woods? Of course ...take them and find any excuse to do so before you give notice so nothing can be said.
When I was laid off I was paid for my accumulated unused vacation time. I knew a couple of people that had a difficult time getting their unused vacation pay, however. So it's kind of luck of the draw, and whether your supervisor (or in my case their supervisor) handles it properly.
For the most part you will be paid for your accumulated vacation days. If you have a vengeful boss, all bets are off. Some have been known to claim you took vacation days that you did not take just for grins and giggles. IDK what makes some people tick, but be sure to offload proof before you resign as you might need it.
Yes use your vacation , go to date with your manager and have some one night stand with him