The next round of layoffs in Germany was announced today. The plan is to cut 300 of the current 1,400 positions. Since Europe, and Germany in particular, has strong employment protection laws, Oracle will now negotiate the measures with the works council. During the last round, this process took 6–8 weeks.
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Unfortunately, the law allows employers to completely eliminate certain job profiles in teams at individual office locations, thus circumventing the social selection criteria – which was also the case for me: 4 teams remained, 3 teams were completely dissolved.
@by and I can tell you conditions in Spain were great but Germany even better
@bt 1700 does not come from slack , it is Aria
@b8 in the last RIF in Spain, there were 100 volunteers to leave from Madrid office, way more more than the people that actually left...
Slack numbers are meaningless because they include temp staff, interns and subcontractors.
@bj that doesn't answer the question. The laws are tougher but they discriminate against other workers based on attributes that have nothing to do with the job. What you do outside of work should have no influence on the decisions about who is cut. Being married and having kids is not job related.
@b8 yes, this happens a lot in NL as well. There is the option to leave and get a package. Hope NL will get the same.
@a2 and I bet you think Tariffs are great.
@be no in Europe there are stronger labour laws, not like your US laws
@av how is the social selection not a form of discrimination?
@b8 considering the package they offer in Germany and the current situation it could actually be more than that …
@av you really think 300 will sign up to be laid off?🤣
@a2 the current situation is more impacted by the rising oil prices than by workers laws in the EU, that haven't changed for decades. And yes, American companies are impacted heavily by the loss in trust regarding EU sovereignity due to their unforeseeable directions in trade politics.
I would not bend the knee and agree on lesser workers rights towards hire-and-fire mentality of U.S. companies and instead apply to EU companies and strengthen the local market.
No, the voluntary separation program will be announced in 6–8 weeks. After that, employees will have about two months to volunteer. Only if this process is unsuccessful can the employer proceed with layoffs. In Germany, however, this process must follow a social selection procedure based on age, marital status, number of children, and length of service. I know this is hard for Americans to understand, but that’s how the laws work. Oracle and other employers cannot simply decide who leaves. After the social selection process, it is usually the younger, more motivated, and less expensive employees who are affected. Oracle can only prevent this if the voluntary program is sufficiently generous and 300 people sign up. In today’s CLT call, the current workforce in Germany was reported as 1,374. I think the 1,700 figure in Slack also includes colleagues who are billed differently than in Germany. It hasn’t been possible to specify which departments are affected yet. This will be announced in the coming weeks.
@OP according to Aria , Germany has 1776 employees currently not 1400…
So this means people will exit in 8 weeks from now aprox ? Mid June ?
@af very sad to hear, do you know what departments or is it everything
I confirm, announced this morning.
@ab very sad if people are making things up
This is fake news
Who announced it and where?
The employment protection laws will burn you in the long run. You will get more severance but foreign companies won't hire locally in the future and local business won't hire anyone right now in the current economic environment. People are likely to be unemployed for a long time.
Good luck to those being impacted.