Yeah, right. There’s no way he didn’t know or wasn’t at least involved somehow. I can buy that he wasn’t the final decision maker, but I call bullsh-t on him not even knowing.
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Snow fakes, all of your managers knew you would get a layoff notice. Because they had to rate everyone in the group to others. It's referred to as a totem, and it is usually done after year in performance reviews are completed, or at the start of the new year. So, you are mistaken thinking because you and your manager are besties a layoff notice could never ever come your way. Oops but it did.
If you trust any oracle mgmt, you are not smart at all.
Managers didn't necessarily know. My manager didn't know. They only found out the night before that one of their reports was going to be RIFed and that was only as a courtesy warning. The director (manager's boss) didn't need to tell them, but did. Now the director on the other had known for a while. So my point is it may depend on your manager, but mine was left in the dark, but like all of us knew "something" was going to happen.
Our manager was "little surprised" when most of the team was laid off. The writing was on the wall for many months though.
I don't think my Director knew the layoffs. I was working on important supporting projects in Services. (My co-workers were actually pi---d that I was RIF'd.)
However, they laid off the only defined Engineer in the group and no one was trained to replace (as the last 3 Engineers departed Oracle.)
As a FLM I knew about 3est the the day before. No input into the names or even a warning of the cuts so I could plan. The directions in the email to us were all junk too
@at My manager claimed they had no idea when I was RIF'd...they were audibly shocked and upset and seemed to have no idea when I called. Who knows. In the past when folks have been let go, our managers always gave us a heads up layoffs were coming and where, so as to tell us not to worry and we were safe...so I suspect it's BS managers don't know
I'm still here. My manager did not know about those on my team who were RIF until after it happened and has been scrambling to figure out who is taking the workload. I believe them, they were crying to me about it
Most front line management did not know until the night before. Some managers were never notified at all who specifically they were losing and went looking yesterday to see who they lost.
They have known for weeks
@ae oh no
Extremely smart is a threat to management. Average or below average is not a threat.
Your manager not only knew, he was the one who submitted your name to be laid off in the first place. The final "decision" may have been made by some higher-ups, but the more likely than not just took your manager's layoff recommendations and just went with it.
Don't believe that BS from your manager that "I didn't know!".
They knew. They picked your name at the golf outing. If you weren’t invited, you don’t even know where the playing field is.
Line 1 manager cannot make this decision, I saw many performance well be cutted. Seems the goal just reduce expense, aimed who has higher salary.
In other word, AI removed the difference for IQ < 130, also your hard work is 10x slower than AI. Finally, only cheap or extremely smart can survive.
In these entire LoBs are impacted and mgrs only know the salary of their direct reports so the decisions are often made at a higher level, that mgr might also be in the next phase because the end is not here. I say this with confidence because look at O historically, they have many layoffs through the year regularly, this one is to fund LEs ai baby, he’s tired of the thing that brought him all his wealth he needs a new shiny toy and the poors need to be sacrificed to pay for it.
Don’t get too comfortable learn as many new skills as you can otj, keep your resume up to date, and always be networking!
Good luck to you all, take care of yourself whether a survivor or RIFd, in the end it is just a job.
Not true at all. In the August 2025 round, my Senior Director did all of the layoff meetings and had to meet with India staff overnight. Their direct manager found out he had lost staff from me because I started my day earlier than him and he said he had no grass up not even an email after the fact
My manager said he knew about some, but was blindsided by others. He was scrambling yesterday to work out his reduced head count. Our group does not seem to have lost any management...that seems odd to me.
Oh boy, they knew it.
Yes my manager also said samt