They’ve basically given me a week to take VR otherwise it’s CR
If I take VR I get extra 2800
If I don’t I get statutory terms
They want me gone come what may in a month
First consultation meeting is next week.
Does anyone know if I can apply for VR say in week 2-3?
Can I request they extend the month because I’ve applied for internal job?
Anything I should be aware off?
They can block the grievance
If you think they’re still wrong take it to a tribunal
Doesn’t cost a penny and no risk to you
@1bw And then they block you and you can't get anything more out of them.
"You can raise a grievance if you don’t feel it’s all proper"
A lot of similar experiences.
When I was going through the UK WFR process, I raised a grievance to HR. HR came back very quickly with "all is correct, we don't accept your grievance"
@1bc "And yes HR do monitor this board" - that would explain what they spend all day doing. It certainly isn't responding to and actioning enquiries. It's definitely not seeking to improve moral. Nor does it involve any attempt to be efficient.
Just make us all redundant - pop the money in my bank account and delete my DXC accounts, and we're done here.
This is where I’d disagree with a lot of people here
I think VR is take it on week 1, leave week 2
CR then kicks in, but you can request a longer VR window for lots of different reasons. So technically you’re back in VR during CR
If you want to stay you can apply for jobs
You can raise a grievance if you don’t feel it’s all proper
If point 1 is correct, technically you get 2-3 weeks extra pay which maybe slightly less or more than the VR sweetener
It’s not as clear cut as it seems
And yes HR do monitor this board
The regional transformation team who accept your VR are all in India. They don’t even know who your line manager is
The CR people are your line manager and HR
Your LM at this point will be a cu-t to you and try to sc--w you, don’t be nice back
I left 4 weeks ago from GBS and this is my experience. I was getting to retirement age, have pension and savings. It was an easy decision but I made them work for it. Loosing 1200 if I took VR instead of going to CR with extra weeks is minor.
Biggest mistake people make is they mouth off here, the second that business update email comes, they’re pu----s.
Use AI, ACAS, and learn your rights, challenge everything
If you take it to a tribunal know 100% you will never have to pay as long as your claim is not baseless
Take DXC all the way.
Ask for scoring rationale
Pool
Team make ups post you
What happens to your job especially if it’s account work
Remember the role goes, so no handover!
So don’t be doing handovers helping out.
"They are up for negotiation on the VR window itself. If you need longer they’ll oblige."
Thats not what happened to me.
The manager just said "Just deal with me", no HR person was involved in any meeting. My manager was adamant that he personally wanted me gone ASAP.
I did email HR about it and they just replied answering any questions with a message effectively saying "all is in order"
My ehe end date was fixed in less than 3 weeks and I either had to accept VR immediately that weekend, or it would be CR.
Emails with HR were pointless - they just confirmed what I was told.
Think about this carefully - When you talk to future employers, VR is a lot better sounding than CR
Its not worth the time and effort fighting it - at least make the most money out of it
@14g Interesting to know why you chose CR vs VR. The certainty of it's done and finished with as well as the extra financial enhancement seems too enticing to pass up. Once you're out you can move on.
Some guy below wrote HR make it up as they go along, I would say the entirety of DXC literally will lie to get you out of the company. That’s my experience when I was booted.
What pains me is do these people not have families? How could they do it fellow colleagues. I’m talking about lying with false justifications.
If you don’t stick around to ask these questions at consultations you’ll never know.
OP here
going for Compulsory redundancy
The rules are a week and then auto CR, albeit they still frame it as VR until the final consultation meeting which is lies.
They are up for negotiation on the VR window itself. If you need longer they’ll oblige.
You have a neeting with your manager 1st he will tell you how many in the pool at risk ask you if you want to take VR. Once you say yes he pulls the trigger and it usually takes HR about 7 days to fireover the offer, you then have 2 days to either accept or devline
@OP its a week on - how are you getting on? What did you decide to do?
@zw They do VR all the time. Too many, myself included are sitting it out waiting for money that we don't need because DXC taught us we're not worth it so I've not spent the money they paid me
10 years ago. I've been saving every penny so I can retire early VR or none.
As an ex-DXCer take the VR , it's not so bad outside of DXC. By the by, what Functions are being offered VR? Going to be miffed if I missed this by 12 months.
You can keep all options open. Apply for VR and accept. Apply for new roles both internally and externally. If you get a new role internally the terms will say you didn't qualify for the VR payment it's like you never leave and will need to return it. So don't go out and blow all the money! You can reasonably argue (not that anyone in DXC ever listens) - but you should expect you length of service to be reinstated, and to be allowed to keep your salary running for any down time. There's plenty of people doing nothing for the money - one more won't make much difference.
You don't need a solicitor to go to an Employment Tribunal, you can represent yourself. Make sure you submit any claim within 3 months of leaving DXC.
Do you have to be offered the 2800 to get it. Or can anyone who applies speculatively benefit right now. Usually there would be an application window, and assessment of all who applied. But DXC seems to accept and see if it keeps working without you. Until it doesn't then they start saying no more...
I’m ex CSC
Does anyone know how long I can leave applying for VR and get the 2800?
Someone told me you can do it after the second consultation too, despite being in CR.
Assume you’re not ex-EDS because the VR terms are much better than statutory if you are!
I think taking a break from it all is highly recommended. We've been caught up in the world of DXC, which is not how the rest of the world works. You need to step away and forget everything you know. Apart from perhaps this is not the best way to do it. The world of work has changed. Personally I have no intention of coming back into IT. But never say never. You'll only know if it's right for you, and if you can afford it long term if you try it.
Take the offer and run.
DXC is a dead duck with no future.
Yes it may be daunting, yes it's very little notice but things are only going to get worse going forward.
I left 12 months ago, took the summer off and walked into another job paying approx 15% more with 5x extra days holiday and a bonus scheme (5% of salary providing KRA's met).
First weeks a bit scary being in a new co. with different processes etc. but every day it gets better.
As Liam & Noel said, "Don't look back in anger"
DXC does not change your salary when you move role. They will tell you that it will get reviewed at the next cycle - but that never comes. Once you are doing the job for that rate they have you locked in. If you refuse to start until it's adjusted, you'll never get the job. If you have been offered a payment to leave you are in fact better to take it and sit on it for 12 months and come back on a market rate salary. You'll probably be better off over a 5 year period.
"Anyone know what the salary range is for these roles in the UK?"
Put it this way, avoiding WFR is never a promotion - The salary range is almost certainly going to be less than what you are on now.
It is always a demotion, "but your salary stays the same"
@cp HELP i am on the list too, there is a role for CSM I might apply for. Anyone know what the salary range is for these roles in the UK?
"Does anyone know if I can apply for VR say in week 2-3?"
No - you won't be offered it again
"Can I request they extend the month because I’ve applied for internal job?"
No - they want you gone ASAP
"Anything I should be aware off?"
They want you gone ASAP
Think - This new "job" is a role you are being forced to take.
At the monent you are still reeling and you're looking for safety.
Be brave, the world is your lobster etc. Only do the new job if you REALLY want to do it otherwise TAKE THE MONEY and do something else.
@cf There is no work in the pipeline. Sales and management might want to tell you there is just to get you to quit without a pay off. But there is nothing. We are a just here to watch legacy systems die their final death and get decommissioned. New work is scarce and just a bit of final tidying up.
No matter how old you are, its difficult to believe you're NOT biting their hand off :)
Happened exactly the same to me so I really do know about it.
Looking back, the best advice I would have given to myseff would be:
As for me? I am very happy (if I don't look back) - Whilst the whole "time away from work" was a hugely useful period for me, I got another job at the first attempt.
Life goes on.
Few things make a difference, how long have you been at dxc and is there any work in the pipe ?
@bp Good luck trying to get any sort of prompt decision out of HR. If you plan on staying employed more than. A couple of years then getting out of DXC is a better bet all round. If you're towards retirement. Take the pay off and go whilst it's on offer.
@bq there's no suggestion here of unfair dismissal, the op said its CR or VR.
Don't waste your time and money OP on solicitors.
If you really want to, go see citizens advice for free advice.
As I said, this isn't some other country. UK employment law is quite straight forward and there are some (limited) employee rights. CAB can explain it if you don't understand it.
What area out of interest ?
@bp not true - if they have been at their job for two years they get redundancy rights meaning thet can sue for unfair dismissal
A solicitor can help make sure the company knows not to mess about
Don't waste your time and money on a solicitor for this in the UK. Your redundancy terms are clearly written in your contract. You know what they are. This isn't some employment at will he-l like some other places and I'd guess you aren't some exec on millions either.
If you truly want that other dxc role, just ask HR immediately. They can either say yes or no to a stay of execution.
Don't ask, don't get.
Best take the vr .. internal job..you will not be getting as on way out..will not say that..will just stall etc etc..
good luck and hopefully all works out ref new company.
Get a lawyer fast. You can’t be bounced into accepting a deal if you or your legal representative halven’t had sufficient time to review it.
I know this because my previous role was as a manager in another consultancy where we had to do the same and the advice was always to get a lawyer to review your severance deal.
Good luck.
Take it and get out. The difference will be what benefits you can potentially claim. But if you own a house and have money in the bank that's pretty much nothing. Take the cash and run. Any job has to be better than DXC. HR make up the rules as they go along. They will not respond, help or adjust for you. There is no negotiation to be had. No matter how wrong they are.