Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

@JvAtwXE-4ayh - I assume that you were referring to my posts. True, only about 1/3 of us in Plymouth are in ISC, and all of the ISC engineers and support techs were furloughed, and those operators and techs that work DIRECTLY on product where not. I found out today to my surprise that the HECOE engineers were not furloughed since they directly charge into programs. I find it very curious that they didn't get furloughed, but that ISC direct charging engineers were furloughed. Why the difference? Guess the ALT would rather lose the revenue that we would have brought in. Oh well.

Everyone in Plymouth is not ISC. That guy who said everyone is on furlough there is just plain wrong.

Wow...isn't it odd that sites were handled differently? I have no doubt that what Plymouth said is correct. It's just that I was reporting what I saw/heard around the Phoenix/Torrance area.

@gaj111315 - I am in and engineer in ISC at Plymouth and charge DIRECTLY into multiple programs, and this is furlough number 2 this year for me and my fellow workers. As I mentioned in another post, the ONLY ones at our location that didn't get furloughed are the hands on techs and operators that are moving and shipping products. Those old us that support them are on furlough. Maybe the rules are different at your location. I'm just saying what I'm seeing myself.

@gaj111315 - I am in and engineer in ISC and charge DIRECTLY into multiple programs, and this is furlough number 2 this year for me and my fellow workers. As I mentioned in another post, the ONLY ones at our location that didn't get furloughed are the hands on techs and operators that are moving and shipping products. Those old us that support them are on furlough. Nay e the rules are different at your location. I'm just saying what I'm seeing myself.

Honeywell management hates us because A) They have no clue what we make, and B) because they have no technical understanding of what we make anymore, that they believe our burden rate is too high compared to other industries.

Honeywell management looks only as far ahead as the next quarter. It is a game to MAKE THE NUMBERS for each quarter. They believe in their soul, that engineers only make things more complicated. They will go to the grave believing that we are earning too much. They will continue to make apples to rocks comparisons to other industries, assuming a turbine engine takes the same employee as those that make paper clips. Yes, they are that stupid.

If what @gaj111315 said were true, it seems this company (one year at a time) wants to make all its employees so uncomfortable that all of them quit voluntary. Save severance money? Why a company treats its employee like that? Why it hates its employees so much? What have we employees done wrong that deserves to be treated like that?????

If you are in Engineering or ISC or C&PS, and are DIRECT CHARGE to a program, then you were not part of the most-recent furlough. Boeing and Airbus both threatened assertions to HON if Engineering folks were involved. I charge directly to programs, but not in Engineering and was part of the furlough.

I have heard, too, that the next furlough will be the "holiday" period between Christmas and New Years. However, the previous poster brings up a very good point about holiday pay. So if that is the case, does that now mean a furlough the week of the 19th?

I have moved ALL of my vacation out of December. Just in case.

Also, I have heard that the first week of January will be furloughed. I have no idea if that will include Engineering, ISC, C&PS ,etc., or only "expendable" employees.

Also, don't be surprised if dental will no longer be covered next year. If that does happen, it will be the same as a pay cut plus we have the joy of finding dental insurance. And I think we all know that healthcare costs will be going up. The question is, of course, by how much.

I miss the old days...really old days...when Tim was an engineer and had not yet drunk the Kool-Aid or bent over for Cote so far that he really can touch his toes.

I should add that I charge directly into programs, and I'm on furlough this week.

I'm just saying that I am not aware of any non-hands-on personal, which includes all enigneers, support techs, management, etc in Plymouth that were not affected by the furlough. The only workers that I know of that weren't affected are the techs and operators working directly on products. If there are any exceptions to this, I'd love to know!

Everyone please indicate if you are posting fact, rumor, or opinion.

The poster who said all of Plymouth was furloughed is dead wrong. In accordance to the decree from the ALT direct charges are not furloughed.

All these tactics are designed to encourage the rough 8% left with the old AlliedSignal retirement plan to either quit or die. It is not a stretch to envision Honeywell keeping it's older workers under "stress" now that they know our "Health risk Factors". Very easy to predict when each of us will die and maybe even take out a life insurance policy to mitigate the pension payout. Very unethical, but not illegal.

These unpaid furloughs are obscene. (I have a family member who has been through these HON furloughs......more than once). I have not heard of any other company's that have done or are doing these mandatory unpaid furloughs. Are there other company's doing this??? If so, which ones?

True - they just cut and cut deep - they don't pretend to care about their employees.

Guys, just grab a beer and figure out a plan for the rest of thr year and 2017, it isn't going to get any better whether it is furloughs, rifs or other BS. I actually checked/looked for work at decent pay for a week but didn't reallh find anything, so here I am with a beer in my hand, brainstorming as engineers do, we will get through this but i realize we all have our fck it moments

You are wrong about Plymouth.

Ah, ALL of the engineers at Plymouth are on furlough either this week or next, and this is not the first time. We'll just be under MORE pressure to put in unpaid OT to make up the lost time as usual.

These unpaid furloughs are obscene. (I have a family member who has been through these HON furloughs......more than once). I have not heard of any other company's that have done or are doing these mandatory unpaid furloughs. Are there other company's doing this??? If so, which ones?

You have a "contract of sorts" to work 40hrs per week for a certain salary but that doesn't seem to matter. With a few weeks notice Honeywell can tell you to stay home without pay for a week and return to work the week after. Hard to believe , but there is no contract ; just a handshake that means nothing. It s---s, especially if you are on a tight budget with young kids and diapers etc. I'm sure that the execs that made the decision are not suffering as much as the average employee.

Only the direct charge engineers were exempt. The rest of us engineers that don't use the charge number system are on furlough.

Yes, I think the original poster's info is wrong also. i know several engineers at HON who are on furlough this week, right now.

I'm an Engineer and am on furlough this week. I think your information is wrong.

Engineers are not being furloughed this week, business people are. Boeing and Lockheed will not allow any more further delays in contracts. If HW decides not to pay us for the last week of the year (our holiday pay) then engineers will be affected, of course. Probably why they decided to do that rather than a different week.

I still want to know if this is LEGAL? Don't we have a contract of sorts to guarantee us 13 days of holiday pay? Anyone know?

Engineers were furloughed during the last rounds of furloughs. What makes this furlough any different? Have heard all will be affected by the upcoming furloughs, including engineers. Where is this news coming from, that engineers won't be furloughed?

imagine a big ball of crap that is rotating on an axis and never stops. objects will attach themselves to this large crap filled spinning ball and will come and go along with thousands and thousands of others along with them. The only thing that doesn't change is the spinning crap ball that is Honeywell

Go to glassdoor and write a review.

I'm with you but walking out won't do anything. The best thing we can do is all find jobs outside of Honeywell then tell stories to our new coworkers about terrible honeyhell is. Remember, the employees are just a thorn in Dave's fat side; the only thing these @sshats respond to is money. As people leave in droves, product won't ship and that costs Dave money. Then they'll care, but only a little.

Was hoping they CAN'T legally not pay us for holidays. Sorry Typo.