Contract expires at midnight. It’s been very quiet what’s the update on the negotiations? Striking or no?
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“…cloud based PSAPS”.
Yeah you got me there bro. I’d love for you to show me one of those cloud based psaps with absolutely nothing at the site…..next please.
You are a mo--n, you are a “chimp” , google intrado cloud based psap. No way you are Ws 32 unless you are DLC my bet is you are a comm. Tech they are the only title stupider than DLC, regardless you are a complete id--t.
“…cloud based PSAPS”.
Yeah you got me there bro. I’d love for you to show me one of those cloud based psaps with absolutely nothing at the site…..next please.
Commenting about food updates worked, the last two posted updates, actually have substance to them. It what every dues paying member is asking for and we are appreciative of the bargaining team being our representatives. The comms team just needed to be more transparent and post more details. Days of no communication is unacceptable.
Cause the DT’s were out of work if they would have “kept everyone in there lane” Dt’s would be unemployed now.
As far as “still legitimate work for Dt’s” how much skill does it take to hang a cienna on the wall or sc--w into a rack? They have a 15 minute class at the chimp house for that. Stop lying to yourself you are not better than anyone else and be thankful you are making the money you are until someone catches on.”
Odd that when other job titles run out of work(or don’t) they have surpluses, but when BFS DTs run out of work they get testability work from DEG, router work from System Techs, & uverse work from Wire Techs. I guess DTs will soon be getting cable lashers and chain jacks next and splicing rigs, mapp gas torches and flow finders after that.
DTs don’t think they’re better than anybody else simply for wanting to do their own work and not take everyone else’s.
You are correct in that it t doesn’t take a whole lot of skill to slap a ciena on the wall. Like the work within most job titles, the skill is in the preparation, planning the work to accommodate future growth, you know, the stuff they don’t teach the chimps in the 15 minute class. I’ve also never seen a chimp working on a DS0, T1, DS3, or Video circuit nor have I seen them at a 911 PSAP. Perhaps the chimps have advanced on and made management.
Like it or not the company is moving to a one tech title just a matter of how long the bargaining team can hold them off and believe me the company will fight to pay the monkeys the lowest wage possible. It’s called technology jobs in the field are being dummed down, want a skilled important job? Jump to management….. oh wait they don’t have insurance when they retire pay out the wazoo for insurance and had their pension s froze a couple of years ago.
Odd that when other job titles run out of work(or don’t) they have surpluses, but when BFS DTs run out of work they get testability work from DEG, router work from System Techs, & uverse work from Wire Techs. I guess DTs will soon be getting cable lashers and chain jacks next and splicing rigs, mapp gas torches and flow finders after that.
DTs don’t think they’re better than anybody else simply for wanting to do their own work and not take everyone else’s.
You are correct in that it t doesn’t take a whole lot of skill to slap a ciena on the wall. Like the work within most job titles, the skill is in the preparation, planning the work to accommodate future growth, you know, the stuff they don’t teach the chimps in the 15 minute class. I’ve also never seen a chimp working on a DS0, T1, DS3, or Video circuit nor have I seen them at a 911 PSAP. Perhaps the chimps have advanced on and made management.
Boo hoo poor DT’s just worked to death, A hamster could do DEG work that group is a joke only thing needed to do that job is say “must be a CO problem” and know how to pull a card out of a shelf cause all the RT’ s are being shut down besides that their jobs are being absorbed by 4 wall ET’s ,
router work DT’s took from Systems Techs ! What a joke the router work from them a 3 year old could do , that is easier than hanging a Cienna on a wall!
Planning and preparation really are you an engineer now! Your planning and preparation consists of which route to take to get to the job and where to eat. T1’s , DS3 , video circuits ? Have you been in a coma for the last 5 years? You are really showing your ignorance now as far as 911 goes all you need there is a speed dial to tech support. The only techs that even remotely have any skills needed to do their jobs anymore are ET’s and System Techs and trust me they don’t need a whole lot of skills anymore either, and that skill level drops by the day.
Sorry dude that you think you are so important and have great skills but trust me you don’t , if you croak tomorrow you would be replaced the next day and your name forgotten by next week , you are what ever your UID is and nothing more . If you are so skilled in mounting routers , hanging Cienna’s on the wall and working on analog circuits go try and find a job outside of ATT and see how much you are really needed and worth, with those expert skills you would have to go to Cuba or some other 3rd world country and get paid in bananas not cabbage.
I am sorry for being sarcastic but the reality is that technology not mean ole nasty ATT is turning this into a one tech does it all job (placing fiber or construction not included) yes 5-10 years ago you had skills and were worth what you were paid but technology has and is everyday advancing to the point where there will be very few field techs needed they will always be needed but not near the numbers there are today. Example you can go to any of the wireless companies and get a wireless router for you house and have lighting fast internet no fiber or copper needed . You mentioned PSAPS are you aware they are cloud based now? Guarantee you next 5- 10 years that work is gone, already is for the most part in Alabama.
System Tech work now consists of plugging routers, switches and access points into a internet connection and they automatically download the configs , all you have is a programmer in India that uploads the configs to the cloud then the tech on site plugs it in and walah it works!.
I would suggest every tech updating there skills to keep up with what is going on get your Cisco certifications ( union pays for the classes) do that on your own unless you have a lot of seniority with ATT I promise you your days are numbered again it is not the company doing it to be nasty it is technology. Take responsibility for yourself stop complaining save save save and invest invest invest while you can and it won’t matter when the beautiful ride we have all had ends.
Shocking that you don’t even know what the union is doing…insert sarcasm
“….Cause the DT’s were out of work if they would have “kept everyone in there lane” Dt’s would be unemployed now.
As far as “still legitimate work for Dt’s” how much skill does it take to hang a cienna on the wall or sc--w into a rack? They have a 15 minute class at the chimp house for that. Stop lying to yourself you are not better than anyone else and be thankful you are making the money you are until someone catches on.”
Odd that when other job titles run out of work(or don’t) they have surpluses, but when BFS DTs run out of work they get testability work from DEG, router work from System Techs, & uverse work from Wire Techs. I guess DTs will soon be getting cable lashers and chain jacks next and splicing rigs, mapp gas torches and flow finders after that.
DTs don’t think they’re better than anybody else simply for wanting to do their own work and not take everyone else’s.
You are correct in that it t doesn’t take a whole lot of skill to slap a ciena on the wall. Like the work within most job titles, the skill is in the preparation, planning the work to accommodate future growth, you know, the stuff they don’t teach the chimps in the 15 minute class. I’ve also never seen a chimp working on a DS0, T1, DS3, or Video circuit nor have I seen them at a 911 PSAP. Perhaps the chimps have advanced on and made management.
49 hour rule?
Bye Bye
The union is beginning to cave. It should be over soon and a new contract signed
All you making the food update jokes, what would you do if the bargaining team said to heck with and got up and walked out and let the company do what they want? Think about that for a minute , you have the pay and benefits because of those guys up there fighting for it so lay off of them showing their appreciation of people sending them food while they are fighting for you crybabies 15 hours a day. It never ceases to amaze me how people making six figures a year in most cases (that pay was bargained for by the way) in such a short amount of time can become so ungrateful and develop such horrible attitudes . Leave if you are that unhappy and go and try to get even close to pay, insurance and pension At another company with the skills (or lack of ) that you have.
So why not thank and encourage your team that is fighting for you instead of trashing them.
Since you mentioned logic, somebody tell me why T, who seems to hate having to give Wire Techs peanuts pay, just up and decide it would be a good idea to give Wire Tech work to higher payed WS32 DigiTechs?
There’s still legitimate DT work out there, maybe not at the same levels across all areas as before. Could be that adjustments are needed to adapt to the correct work load. Either way, everybody every job title needs to
stay in its own lane. Robbing work from job title A because job title B ran out of work ain’t the way to go.
Cause the DT’s were out of work if they would have “kept everyone in there lane” Dt’s would be unemployed now.
As far as “still legitimate work for Dt’s” how much skill does it take to hang a cienna on the wall or sc--w into a rack? They have a 15 minute class at the chimp house for that. Stop lying to yourself you are not better than anyone else and be thankful you are making the money you are until someone catches on.
Where was the lunch from today? Inquiring minds want to know. It's the only thing worth reading in the updates.
I left the bargaining table yesterday. All the arguing was about which District was going to pay for catered lunch from Pascal’s
“…Using your logic , why doesn’t the company move the DT’s to the wire tech title? All they do is Gpon anyway as far as skills needed to do that job they offer a one hour class at the zoo in the Chimp house. The wire techs do the job faster, better and without all the whining than the overpaid, overweight, crybaby DT’s anyway.”
Since you mentioned logic, somebody tell me why T, who seems to hate having to give Wire Techs peanuts pay, just up and decide it would be a good idea to give Wire Tech work to higher payed WS32 DigiTechs?
There’s still legitimate DT work out there, maybe not at the same levels across all areas as before. Could be that adjustments are needed to adapt to the correct work load. Either way, everybody every job title needs to
stay in its own lane. Robbing work from job title A because job title B ran out of work ain’t the way to go.
Really tired of hearing that wire techs need to be upgraded to a higher wage scale... They took the job knowing the pay grade. If they want a higher wage scale then out forth an effort to learn better skills for the higher wage position. Otherwise stay a wire tech
Using your logic , why doesn’t the company move the DT’s to the wire tech title? All they do is Gpon anyway as far as skills needed to do that job they offer a one hour class at the zoo in the Chimp house. The wire techs do the job faster, better and without all the whining than the overpaid, overweight, crybaby DT’s anyway.
“Really tired of hearing that wire techs need to be upgraded to a higher wage scale... They took the job knowing the pay grade. If they want a higher wage scale then out forth an effort to learn better skills for the higher wage position. Otherwise stay a wire tech”
Almsot every single DT would like to stay a DT and do DT work. Many WTs have test qualified & advanced but there simply aren’t enough openings in the more desirable job titles, or an opening 3 states away isn’t feasible for their personal life.
The company decided several years ago that WS32 Digital Technicians should start doing Uverse installs & repairs. As others have mentioned, it’s not just a job here or there every now and then. It is indeed roughly 50 to 75% of the DT workload in many areas. If the company thinks it’s a good idea to pay some people a certain wage to do certain work, then they should pay all of the people doing the same work the same pay(within the same particular labor agreement/district), or hear me out, keep work where it belongs.
Act II, Scene 5 - aaannnd Action!
The updates are not particularly useful. It’s always “we said something reasonable, the company said no, we had lunch”
For those that still haven't heard about something called "google" that's taking the internet by storm...
https://cwad3.org/workplaces/att?page=0
You can find your updates there. They've been posting for weeks.
Really tired of hearing that wire techs need to be upgraded to a higher wage scale... They took the job knowing the pay grade. If they want a higher wage scale then out forth an effort to learn better skills for the higher wage position. Otherwise stay a wire tech
“Fighting for more in 2024” what a joke. The slogan should be “Still the company’s wh0re in 2024”. The only concrete thing we have learned from the “bargaining updates” provided by the union is who was providing them lunch. That’s it, nothing more. How about updates on what the companies specific proposals are? Get ready people……more givebacks are coming, but you will retain the right to drink water and breath air and the CWA will spin it as a win.”
The update from a couple of weeks ago that said “… they feel some employees are currently paid more than what the Company believes is appropriate and wants some of this to change.…” should’ve had more light shined on it. It would be interesting to know who T was talking about.
Hungry for More bargaining table food updates
AT&T is broke. No more money. Less pay and benefits with RTO layoff.
- 5% cola per year.
So I should have a bag packed and ready to go for my contingency assignment? Sounds like they are going to strike.
“Fighting for more in 2024” what a joke. The slogan should be “Still the company’s wh0re in 2024”. The only concrete thing we have learned from the “bargaining updates” provided by the union is who was providing them lunch. That’s it, nothing more. How about updates on what the companies specific proposals are? Get ready people……more givebacks are coming, but you will retain the right to drink water and breath air and the CWA will spin it as a win.
They don’t want to share the details just yet. Gotta polish that tu-d up a little. They’ll beg you to vote yes by telling you they can’t do any better.
The same leadership that fires people for not uprooting their families to move across the country is the same leadership that doesn't have the decency to at least send an update email to the scores of CP folks that took 50 of your useless courses and would be expected to leave our homes at the drop of a pin if there was a strike. It's all so predictable and obvious that they care nothing for any employees.
If you don’t vote at all, CWA will count it as a yes for the contract.
The CWA's biggest announcement will be if they are going to eat dinner at Morton's steak house or Ruth's Chris. Keep those dues rolling in
I’m gonna just file griefence aginst those shady AF Barlow brothers
Even if majority of Dist 9 vote NO on pending TA, by time counting is done it will come out 100% YES.
“How about D9 have D3s back for a change?
D9er here. I wish our negotiators went back to the table and slipped in more like the company tried to do. Then we could walk with D3 for even more.”
The opportunity to hold out & walk out with D3 is there every time, but yet here we are, again. These 11th hour D9 settlements definitely nix the concept of unity and hands T a clear advantage in D3 negotiations.
Fight for more in 24 turned into continue to work without a contract
A freaking update would be nice.
How about D9 have D3s back for a change?
D9er here. I wish our negotiators went back to the table and slipped in more like the company tried to do. Then we could walk with D3 for even more.
Basically says cwa and att will continue to work in good faith, no strike…
For those who didn’t get this 12:08 e-mail - what did it say?
The 12:08 company email. There’s a shocker.
“District 9 announced a Tentative Agreement on Friday. It's funny how they are trying to seal the deal here in California just as D3 is coming up for bargaining. No one has any details as to what the TA entails, but word on the street is everyone is voting NO. Stay strong D3 and keep looking at what D9 does. Encourage them to vote no if it is a bad TA”
How about D9 have D3s back for a change? The way it is now D9 is able to use D3 as leverage against T for a faster/better outcome & when that agreement is reached, it then gives T leverage against D3 since negotiations with D9 are handled.
A unified contract date isn’t just a good idea that neither the T nor the U management teams want to hear about, it is an apparent necessity to ensure a fair contract is reached for all. Until then the catchphrase “In Unity” is misleading and impotent.