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Why Are Widespread Layoffs Happening in the USA?

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According to the Challenger layoff report, US hiring is at its lowest since the Great Recession, with nearly 1 million layoffs this year. AI gets the blame, but the deeper cause is decades of offshoring, financial engineering, and policy choices that depress wages while flattering headline stats. The template was set in 1965 with the Border Industrialization Program, maquiladoras importing inputs duty free, paying cents on the dollar, then re exporting with tariffs only on value added. By the 1980s there were 1,000 plus plants, Ford and GE shifted tens of thousands of jobs, and media reframed losses as cheaper goods.

Tariff cuts on Chinese imports in 1979 plus a new corporate mindset hardened the shift. Jack Welch cut about 115,000 US jobs at GE by 1985 and pioneered white collar outsourcing. The Reagan years touted job creation while more than 1.6 million jobs moved abroad, only 28 percent of new jobs were high skill, and young workers’ wages fell sharply. The 1990s added NAFTA and China PNTR, 879,000 trade certified job losses with true totals far higher, longer work hours masked stagnation, buybacks and options enriched executives while households captured about 3 percent of market gains and took on nearly 40 percent of new debt.

The skills shortage story enabled H-1B expansion and loopholes. Outsourcing firms used cap exempt affiliations to file year round and undercut pay, with 2013 probes showing 36 to 41 percent labor cost savings versus domestic hires. Today firms cite AI while filing thousands of H 1B petitions. Amazon cut roughly 27,000 roles from 2022 to 2024 plus 10,000 to 12,000 in 2025, yet logged 14,365 approvals across sponsor tiers. A proposed 100,000 dollar H 1B fee will not fix exemptions, contractor loopholes, or the 2017 tax code that still tilts savings offshore. Clarity first, action next, press representatives to close loopholes and demand truthful job ads, then keep building community so the pressure compounds.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEA7vQKJ8aQ


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End the Greedemic!

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Post ID: @1p4+1k75404am

"Why Are Widespread Layoffs Happening in the USA?".......

Put more simply it is because the cost/benefit for retaining US employees s*cks. There are much better ways to run businesses now than hiring expensive, self-entitled workers.

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Post ID: @1h0+1k75404am

It’s nothing but a short-sighted money grab. Those doing it don’t care because they’re rich and can exit the race at any time. It’s that MBA mentality at work - maximize short-term profit at the expense of long-term survival and success.

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Post ID: @1eq+1k75404am

Cutting US emp salaries results in increased shareholder value

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Post ID: @19j+1k75404am

Good idea! Try San Mateo County Sheriff's Office or Civil Air Patrol

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Post ID: @138+1k75404am

@xb You're assuming they will find work.

An interesting experiment: apply for some jobs with a fake H1-B name and see if it generates call backs.

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Post ID: @xg+1k75404am

Reply to: Not to mention that the spouse of each H-1B gets to legally work, so each displaces TWO American jobs.

Each H-1B spouse can apply for a work permit that allows them to work for any employer in the U.S., including government positions and law enforcement. The work permit is not limited to a single employer, so they can work for Meta, Google, Netflix, Nvida one day, Oracle the next, and also as police officers, firefighters, EMTs, Uber drivers, UPS drivers, Nurses, ER Doctors, or city and county employees, ......:0):0):0):0):0):0) I live in San Mateo County,. My neighbor, a police officer, told me that

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Post ID: @xb+1k75404am

The answer is painfully simple market economics. US tech workers are commoditized, like light bulbs. Any intelligent shopper will buy the absolute cheapest ones available.

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Post ID: @t1+1k75404am

LE said: “It’s all about the bucks, the rest is just conversation “

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Post ID: @b1+1k75404am

I can't see why you should fire software developers because of AI.

Maybe LLMs allow them to produce the same amount of software in 6 months instead of 12. That's nice, just like how compilers are more convenient than punch cards.

If anything, you should hire more as their productivity has increased.

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Post ID: @b0+1k75404am

“ Why Are Widespread Layoffs Happening in the USA? “

GREED!

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Post ID: @ax+1k75404am

Not to mention that the spouse of each H-1B gets to legally work, so each displaces TWO American jobs.

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Post ID: @aq+1k75404am

👮Thanks for sharing

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Post ID: @ap+1k75404am

These are the two most recent CG&C reports -

  • https://www.challengergray.com/blog/summer-lull-ends-july-job-cuts-spike-tech-ai-tariffs-blamed/
  • https://www.challengergray.com/blog/pharma-and-finance-lead-as-august-2025-job-cuts-rise-39-to-85979/

This, from WSJ (via MSN) -

  • https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-unofficial-jobs-numbers-are-in-and-it-s-rough-out-there/ar-AA1O4syQ
    ...Bank of America parses its customers’ bank and credit card accounts to see who is receiving wages or unemployment benefits to gauge the state of the labor market. The bank found a “further softening” in job growth in September and a 10% rise in unemployment payments in October compared with a year ago

I'm sure the banks like JPM & BoA know how bad it really is by looking at customer CC usage/debt and bank acct balances.

So the unemployment rate could be anywhere from north of 4.5% to above 4.7% as of 8 Oct 2025 compared to the last official reported rate of 4.3%

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