Hello - I am an engineer, working in another state for another company. I have an offer from Honeywell, but I am afraid about one key aspect only...
Is their enough (reasonable) job security at honewell?
I am okay with hard work, overtime, etc etc. but I care about is a job that is secured for most people (at least engineers).
What do you all think?
Almost 6 months now. The longer I am with Honeywell, the more I realize that most of everything posted here is non-sense!. I am glad I did NOT listen to all desperate people. HW has been nothing but great to me so far. Working on cross-cutting technologies, great projects, great people around and awesome projects.
Regardless, thanks for those who encouraged me to accept the position. So far, this is the best starting 6-months I've ever had in my career. This is my 4th job, and I've never had a better start that what I've experiences with HW so far.
@ifvf, Former Band 4 leader here. Miserably frustrating doesn't begin to describe my experience at HON. Having worked for a number of companies whose names you know over the years, I have a firm basis for comparison. The toxicity at HON is through the leaky, uninsulated roof.
You hear a lot from disgruntled (NOT desperate) Aero line workers here, but if you've been paying attention, many R&D and support engineers, project workers, squeezed managers and directors from Aero and other SBGs also report in here regularly.
Blaming the victims of poor treatment for speaking out about it is low, mean, and cruel. There is no other company site on thelayoff.com that gets this many complaints from current and former employees, and no one is paying us to come here and vent. I'd call it a vital coping mechanism to come here and let off some steam since we can't bite someone for psychologically and materially abusing us.
If you don't want to believe us, that's your choice, but to make sweeping, derogatory judgments about those who post here is short-sighted and fallacious.
I wouldn't have so much faith in your stats. I was the one who wrote the post about the red-hot stove ... I was hired on as a manager.
I also know of a director who left around the 1 year mark and ended up paying 100k back to the company for relocation expenses.
Honeywell is a great place to work for, but depending on your position, department and pay, it can be a nightmare to work here. Majority of people on this website are not happy but keep in mind only a few of them are engineers/scientists/managers (or at least majority of those who are not happy are lower grade/level positions/employees). Workers and technicians aren’t that happy due to the work environment not being that fun/flexible for what they do. If you join an engineering or research department, making 130-200K, then you’ll enjoy it here. Otherwise you will very soon become one of those desperate employees, stressed all the time.
OP keeps coming back to pose as someone else rushing to support him, but his odd use and spelling of certain words gives him away. LMAO!
Sure, welcome to the happy family. Come on in, the water is fine. This is a golden opportunity for a young engineer to set the pace for his/her career. Time is of the essence. This great offer won't last forever. From us to you, Let's go Honeywell!
Nicely stated, @hkcx. This m0r0n deserves what's coming to him. Thank heaven I escaped and don't ever have to run into him. I am late career and KNOW a good workplace from a bad one.
This is just incredibly sad...
Some people are able to learn from the the wisdom of others (who have already been burned) while other times you have people who insist to learn those hard lessons personally through disaster. Everyone concurs that the stove is red-hot and shouldn't be touched yet this dude is adamant to climb right into it, close the door behind him, and start basting himself in his own juices.
What you see now is the honeymoon period. They don't want to scare you off right away so they need to be nice in the beginning. Soon they will crank up the heat once they see that you have settled it and started getting busy. Every month that oven will go up 50 degrees and within a year or so you will be burnt out and desperate to leave but you will be too tired from exhaustion to do anything about it.
I was in your shoes recently. I myself ignored the warnings, the signs, and the exodus of people leaving. I climbed into that same oven and barely stayed a year until I realized that I had to get out. To that I say "Welcome brother! Tonight we burn in he-l"
So go the f**k away already. You can't change our opinions or experiences, so if you don't like what we tell you, quit asking.
You've just started your honeymoon. Wait 2 years and see how you like it.
German engineer? haha, that's really funny, am glad you can't even guess who I am. Well, I could also be a german engineers!. Engineers? well am not sure either.
Aftercall, I am not interested at all in becoming a friend with any of you here. You do not appreciate HW, and I do, so I am not interested in knowing you. In fact, if I find who you are, you are going to be in trouble, while I am safe. You are the one who works against this place. I had shown nothing but appreciate to this place that I found to be great, so I don't care at all if you even find who I am. In fact, I hope you will find my, but am not interested in writing my name here. You are the one who needs to be hiding. As for me, I have got nothing to be ashamed of or hide from. Stop crying and go find another place to work for if you don't like this great place.
OP, du bist voller Scheisse. You have no clue what you're talking about, but you will find out in due time. Now go the he-l away and work at your wonderful new job. Your character frankly s*cks if you feel the need to keep coming back here to kick dirt at us. Many of us still work at HW, so don't be so eager to make enemies. You should be pretty easy to find, the German engineer who was just hired.
I think you all are just disparate workers, who had never done enough to deserve to be here. I am not an id--t and I know that I made the right choice. Shame on all if you for trying to give me the wrong impression about this place. everyone has welcomed me and every single person appears to be happy. Not a single one of them said that he even know this website, so it seems that it is being run by 10-15 desperate employees who had not done enough anyway for their life and career.
If you all don't like it here, why are you still working for HW. Yes I joined and am happy based on what I have seen so far, and I think this website is not reasonable at all (ran by the same 10-15 desperate employees).
Well @OP, it's clear that you have no further use for this forum, so you can run along now and stop trying to engage us.
@euuv, you are truly an id!0t. Do you think we came to these conclusions after a few weeks on the job? Though it might be entertaining, I really don't have enough interest in you to want to be a fly on the wall when you finally start to get it.
So.... I finally decided in the end to join HW!!!! Yes, I did, and it has been a few days since I joined. I really love it here, and the environment appears to be very friendly. I asked many co-workers about what they think of HW and they all seemed to be super super happy.
I wonder why almost everyone here tried to convey to me that HW isn't a good place. I found everything to be really positive now that I joined. What is going on here on this forum? perhaps the research and engineering employees here are limited and most of those who are on this website are manufacturing workers or temporarily workers? Can anyone please explain to me?
To address your question of "why doesn't upper management step in and make things better," the answer is because upper management knows that Honeywell is a sinking ship. Their goal isn't to rescue you, but rather to rescue as much money as they can before the ship sinks completely.
This is actually called harvest strategy. Investment in new products are minimal or zero, and instead the bare minimum is spent to keep existing revenue streams going for as long as possible. Those revenue streams have been steadily drying up over time, and to maintain profits, cuts must be made. The biggest cost is labor, so this is where most of the cuts happen. This has been happening slowly and steadily for the past 15 years.
If Honeywell is to survive, they will need to make the transition into a software company. Is Honeywell gonna get added to FANNG now, any time soon, or any time ever? No.
Positives - if you are consistently a high performer, you can get pretty big raises (sometimes double digits), promotions, and pay. We're talking 50%-100% more than your peers of the same years of experience.
But seriously, all the negative comments are 100% true. You have been provided many objective details about how the company is toxic. These facts are not debatable and are not opinion. Some people may be "ok" dealing with the toxicity or can personally justify their own give and take with the company. For example, many put in the bare minimum. Some wait for the company to give them a severance. Others are close to retiring.
That said, whether you're an E1 or a director, you're in the same sinking boat. No amount of ladder climbing will allow you to escape, and instead you will only become more and more miserable as the boat sinks further. Honeywell even has a term for this--the burning platform.
Do you ever see the movie Forrest Gump. Run Forrest Gump. Run Forrest Gump. Substitute your name for Forrest Gump.
If you’re in a high pay region, they will move your site to low cost region. If you decide you want to join one flew over the cuckoo nest, you can get experience. In order to go to another job down the road.
When you find your dream job. Don’t push parts, and three employees the way you would wanna be treated. Otherwise, the new company will probably get rid of you.
@5xxjThe people who are in top management are the last people who would step in to make the company better for employees and customers. They know that their job is to make more money for the investors, which requires that the money goes to them instead of to improve things for the employees.
I left Honeywell 4 years ago and work for the competition. Honeywell is a software company now and so for traditional Engineering not sure the growth prospects or level of exciting stuff. I would rate it as below average company to work for and job security is not great but of course it is site and function dependant.
Job security shouldn't be the most important thing. I'm personally and engineer in AZ and my team and work environment are okay but it's not exciting work nor am I learning anything. I'm currently looking for a new job since I hate dragging myself out of bed for this job I don't enjoy.
I am super disappointed about HON. I was so excited for the change of joining HON, but there is no way I can move my family and leave my current job for HON based on all the below. Even if the majority of people here are seeing the dark side, this dark side is too dark and extremely toxic to deal with. It it too bad that such a great company like HON has such toxic environment for employees. One would think that someone from top management would step in and make things better, but!?
I don't subscribe to all of the doom and gloom you read here. That said, there are a lot of employee unfriendly policies at Honeywell. Many of these policies are intentionally unwritten. Here's a few off the top of my head to add to what the previous poster said about having adopted the terrible GE/Jack Welch culture; mandatory overtime for salaried employees, hard vacation caps that aren't spelled out, no promotions without applying for a requisition, inability to promote unless your manager identifies you as promotable.
This last comment is literally the best and most clear/transparent one so far. Thank you!
Set the job security issue aside for a moment. HON has adopted the old GE / Jack Welch horrible corporate culture. There's a nasty nine block employee rating system with a quota on finding something close to 10% to be 'under-performers'. As such they will get no raise and no shared bonus. Bonuses by the way are laughably stingy to begin with. What I am describing is a dysfunctional system that shames and stresses employees before it chews them up and spits them out. Is that really the environment you picture yourself working in? The horrible descriptions of HON you see on this site aren't lies or exaggerations.
got enough answers here. Clearly HW is not a good company for most empolyees with family who are looking for growth and stabilty. I am not a fresh graduate so I don't need a nice 2-3 stop station at HW to slap on my resume. Based on the non-sense management activities and unfair lay-offs, it seems that HW does not look after their employees and only care about their financials.
I appreciate all the feedback here... even though this forum may be mostly viewed by those who only sees the dark side, the fact that there was no positive feedback at all (or perhaps just 1 or 2), it is an indicator that even internally the majority agree that HW is not a good company from an environment prospective.
Job security at HW depends on how technically complex the job is... If it can be outsourced it will, eventually.
What type of engineering position were you offeted?
Dude, give it up. You asked a question, you got answers, and now you're trying to skew the data from an admittedly skewed population and appeal to a population that probably don't check in here. As an engineer, you should recognize that there is something off about that.
There are many people who post on this site who honestly share their experiences without bias, just the facts. Scroll, scroll, scroll through this site and read about reality rather than cheerlead in this thread to try to get someone to tell you what you want to hear.
To your original question, there are no guarantees of job security at Honeywell. If that's your main concern, get a government job.
LETS TRY THIS!!!! : For those with a positive feedback or experience, for god sake, please speak and write down if you even exist!!!!!!!!!!! New comers need to hear from you (again, if there is truly enough positive experiences)
I don't think that's true. Everyone can post here anonymously and there is no reason that any of those with positive feedback would shy off from posting and sharing their feedback. I have posted similar question under the page of other companies, and HW is the only one that had an overwhelming majority of people not recommending I join. Of course there are some people that are happy, but it seems to be a very very very small group of people, or at least those who are yet to figure out the overall picture I assume.
I have a working theory that this page is generally frequented by about 20-30ish people who feed off of each other's fires. I work with a lot of people who are perfectly happy in their jobs and frequent this page but are unwilling to post just because any time anyone posts anything positive or in conflict with the majority, they get called trolls or get downvoted into oblivion and their opinions are discarded. I personally normally only check this page out once or twice a month purely because of this. When I first started coming here 4-5ish years ago (during the first layoff I witnessed), the page was more informative than whiney. It's changed a LOT since then.
FYI, I worked in the HON SPS business for 4-1/2 years. We had 3 unpaid furloughs in 2 years. The Sr. Leadership Team for SPS has only 4 of the original team members from 2017 and the President of SPS is leaving as of 4/1/2021. All the others have left or were fired. Sure isn’t a good sign for stability IMO.
You seem to be the only one on this entire forum with a positive feedback about HW. I wonder if you would explain why your feedback is different from all others here? If it's related to the fact that all people on this forum are on the dark side, why is it that hard to find at least just one person with a positive feedback? It's more like 95%+ of those who shared their experience voted against HW for someone who needs stable job environment....
I've witnessed 2 - one about 4-5ish years ago when I still worked on the shop floor and the second one last summer from covid. I am a band 3, so definitely not a director nor am I a manager, and thankfully not an engineer. I'm also not old enough to have "decades" (although close) with the company, so definitely not ready to be put out to pasture. Like I said, there are negatives - this place isn't heaven - but it's definitely not he-l either. I enjoy what I do and I like my boss (most days).
You obviously don't work at Honeywell. There have been a helluva a lot more than two layoffs in the past 17 years. I'm going to say you must be one of the people at the director+ level that fu-k over employees for a living. Or you're a completely clueless fool that should have been put out to pasture decades ago.
I wouldn't recommend Honeywell and I've been there for 10 years. I'm interviewing with companies that are willing to pay 60%+ more and much better benefits for the same job duties. Pick another place. Your overall health and well-being will thank you in 6 months or less.
to OP from @fom+1eEIEIYO:
I say you came to the wrong place because this website is about 80% disgruntled workers who likely underperformed (though they will tell you they were all A+ employees and that I'm an "HR troll" because I don't hate HW) and may have also had bad bosses. I've been at HW for 17 years and worked several different jobs in the company in that time - I've had good bosses and bad ones, demanding roles and easy ones - while HW isn't the BEST company ever (what company is?), it's certainly not the living he-l it's portrayed to be here on this site. In my 17 years in aero I've only witnessed 2 massive layoffs, while the benefits aren't exceptionally impressive, they also aren't really much different than the rest of the market. In 17 years I've had bad days, but I've definitely had a lot more good ones.
So is it a good place to work? Overall, I think so. I've no intention to leave any time soon, but I know that it has definitely given me a solid foundation to move on to other things if I ever had to or wanted to. About 20% of the population here will agree with me, but they tend to get overwhelmed by the 80% who are just angry at the world.
For what it's worth, I worked sy Honeywell Deer Valley Aerospace for 35 years, retired last year, took the money and run. I never worried about layoff. Back about 1995, I set up a separate bank account and funded it for the possibility I could be gone. Never happened, and I'm thankful for that.
That being said, I wouldn't take a job there now looking for a future. Good luck whatever you decide.
Thanks everyone. This sentence below concludes everything to me. It is clear to me that HW should not be on my list at all, and perhaps best for me is to stay where I am. To make it clear, I didn't apply, but I was recruited to join, and at first I was super excited but then started to read around before I leave my current employer for something that may not be better.
""... there is really no jobs that do not give u some stress sometimes. No employer is perfect for sure but hon has been milking its resources to make the numbers for more than a decade now..."
I really appreciate all your responses!!! Too bad as I was excited, but I think you all saved me from digging a ho-e for myself that I don't really need. -
If there is still insufficient info for you, op, then may be you are looking for someone to tell you what you really want to hear, that hon is awesome, with min layoff, no cost cutting, and zero stress
It is simply not there
Btw, there is really no jobs that do not give u some stress sometimes. No employer is perfect for sure but hon has been milking its resources to make the numbers for more than a decade now
Just this week, reminders are already being sent out to ensure we meet all the metrics abd it is only 1 back from vacation
If you still dont believe our responses, just make a decision to join. Perhaps it is different for you
Good luck