Thread regarding Ford layoffs

@dugx - I got a great laugh out of JP Sears satirizing this topic using life jackets as the metaphor.

I really appreciate him using satire to make commentary about the world as seen through his personal political lenses rather than throwing out yet more vitriol into our already contentinous society.

My vitamins don't work unless you take yours.

Why do the unprotected need to protect the protected, with the SAME protection that isn't protecting the protected?

Ouch, calling me princess hurt my feelings, let me go and make an appointment right now to get it. You should really be advising the public health officials with the "princess outreach" strategy for reducing vaccine resistance. You could earn a medal, or something.

Just get the vaccine which won't mutate you or give you an extra arm or an immediate heart attack or make you infertile or mutate you - oh sorry i said that - or ki-l you much.
Way too much drama.
Bunch of princesses.

A-sault, not asset.

@1xqa

Your logic is faulty.
The leading ad hominem attack is irrelevant, and some of us have chosen carefully vaccines we have taken up reaching adulthood. That's to say we've actually thought about it rather than just happily gone along with any of them.

The ad absurdum that follows suggests that the adverse reactions are not extremely rare, but rather common enough that they cannot incorporate the cost that needs to be charged for a given vaccine where they as a company specialise.

If a company cannot bear the financial burden of making injured parties whole when the product causes injury or harm when used as intended and designed then they should not be in that business. Companies don't have an inherent right to exist so their incentive to produce future vaccines is a moot point.

How slick is the ice on this hill and is it steep enough for you to care about?

Using the numbers for Michigan (easy to find on Wikipedia) we can see that the fatality rate has been decreasing over time, which is expected since the most susceptible will be hit the hardest early on. Looking over the last three months we see a rate of 0.96% here in Michigan, that is 1 in 104. This is also the same chances of dying in a car wreck.

As a society we do demand certain basic precautions of drivers, but we don't go overboard in limit personal choices in the matter either.

"my freedom to have you as far as possible so you do not spread the virus to other who want to live"

So you ate up the biden logic that "we must protect the vaxxed from the unvaxxed" ??

LOL! Gosh I hope you are not an engineer at Ford with logic skills like that.

My guess is you have no faith in the vax yourself and do not realize you spread covid as much as anyone else.

You're not a good person if you're willing to force people to take a medical treatment they don't want to take. You are cruelty hiding behind a mask of goodness. You are not a good person.

This is not is about political affiliation. Remember that Trump pushed the development of these vaccines. Things are not all as the MSM are telling you.

I am pretty sure that more divisiveness within employees and HR is bound to improve our quality, delivery, and products.

Why else would the company be doing this covid strategy?

Am I Legally (And Ethically) Bound To Say If I Got A COVID Vaccine?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/07/994734269/coronavirus-faq-am-i-legally-and-ethically-bound-to-say-if-i-got-a-covid-vaccine

@2npm

UAW has a lot of people who are resisting the vaccination ( if you get my drift )

It wouldn’t be the first time the government used them as canaries in the coal mine. Only this time there are a lot more birds.

Oops….”forgot” to respond by the Oct 8th deadline.

Stand together people!

If you read the survey. UAW are excluded! I wander is that a different strand of flu? I guess that would be a good question to ask a lawyer? Sounds like discrimination to me! I took the vaccine but when I saw they UAW was excluded I was upset. Talk about fair!

I am OK with people getting the vaccines. I am OK with people NOT getting the vaccines. Personally, I do NOT need the vaccine because I already had Covid-19 last year. I was just fine.

Now, why do I want to risk any vaccine side effect when I know Covid-19 is harmless for me? Of course, if I hadn't had Covid-19, I'd be getting the jab right away (the lesser evil, right?)

My problem is with this mandatory campaign of vaccination. There is no middle ground, no negotiation. If I don't get the vaccine, I'd lose my job. If I get the vaccine, and nothing happens, all would be fine (except the fact I was forced to do it). However, what would it happen if I get the vaccine and I get some side effect? Who is going to pay for the bills, the lost time and income? FMC? The government? Biden? Pfizer?

That's why I am waiting for the OSHA ruling with a lot of interest. Until then, I am not going to bother with all the reporting cr-p.

The Talivaxxers here are the same ones you see on TIkTok screaming at someone who is not wearing a mask. Totally unhinged people

I'll start with a simple question. Does the vaccine work? If it works, why vaccinated people are so afraid of the non vaccinated? Aren't you protected already against Covid-19? If it doesn't work, why force the jab on others then?

Biden is pushing a federal mandated vaccination (never happened before. Don't tell me about Lincoln mandating the army at the time, because Lincoln didn't mandate it to civilians and I am not in the army). Maybe to distract public opinion from the Afghanistan disaster, maybe to blame Covid-19 for the lack of workers. Let me remind you all that Biden tasked OSHA with creating the rules for private companies with more than 100 employees (like FMC) and I have NOT heard of OSHA publishing any rule yet.

So let's say FMC it is gathering the info ahead of time, or to be ready for going back to the office. FMC is not a covered entity under HIPAA, which brings two points: FMC is not legally bound to keep the collected medical data safe, and also, FMC legally cannot collect medical information, especially from non employees (Contractors and Purchased Services).

From my point of view, I see the government executive branch overstepping its authority. After all, I was taught Congress is the legislative branch and make laws for the nation, not the POTUS. I also see FMC overstepping its authority, forcing people to disclose their vaccination status. At the same time, I see people too scared to defend their rights, too afraid to respect others' opinions and decisions, and it is sad to watch.

As Ben Franklin said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.". Since 9/11 I have seen sheeple giving up their rights because of fears. The fear continues, and sheeple continue to empower the government, one of the concerns of the Founding Fathers. Let's be clear: No government can guarantee the 100% protection of an individual against terrorism, nor against diseases. But it is absolutely sure 100%, the government will misused the power it has.

Remember that every people has the government it deserves. Let's deserver better.

Thanks

@1scj - thanks... and I see they even removed my questioning all the people were hating on someone sharing a link of reasoning supported by documentation.

@1air+1d2fwMRz

Since when is Ford forcing you to only drive their vehicle else lose your job/income/etc?

You don't know what I am doing to protect myself and others. Say whatever you need to make yourself feel like the virtuous one. I am not going to accept all of the moral burden for the way this pandemic has played out. You aren't going to get anywhere by trying to shame and guilt trip people.

Even if you are just legitimately waiting it out and we assume that ok, maybe there are going to be horrible side effects, what you are basically saying is "I'll just let everyone else put their health on the line and do what needs to be done to get the pandemic over with and I'll just sit back, watch, and not take any personal responsibility to do my part." So at the very best, you're just extremely selfish and waiting on everyone else to do the work and take whatever risk there is to put the pandemic behind us.

You have made your decision, and I have made mine. Not much else to say. You imagine that I am in a fantasy land, but you don't know me. Good luck to you.

Over 44% of the entire world has had at least a dose of the vaccine at this point. If these horrible side effects you're waiting for actually crop up and 44% of the earth's population keels over, we are all ungodly fu---d whether you got the vaccine or not. But you're never going to get it. Now you say "well let me just wait it out and see if there are side effects." But how about a year from now? You better wait a little longer, just to be sure. You can always argue that you should wait a little longer, because you are already off in a fantasy world thinking that someday something terrible will happen when it's been over a year since the first trial recipients got their vaccine, and nothing bad has happened.

6. 1 billion doses given out on this planet, and you still can't seem to decide whether or not it's safe. Give me a break.

Actually, the US does allow thalidomide to be used here. It just didn't happen until the 90s, and even then only under tightly controlled circumstances. Thanks for making my point about waiting things out until they are better understood.

I don't expect the whole population to drop dead. I just want to take a wait and see approach without being demonized. Is that such a difficult ask?

You know what country never had any birth defects from Thalidomide? The US, because our regulators looked at the safety data and decided there was too much risk for birth defects from it, so they never allowed it to be sold here.

64% of the country has had at least a dose of the vaccine at this point. Are you expecting 64% of the country to drop dead in the next year or something?

If vaccine makers had a liability every time someone has any health issue after they get a vaccine, it would be like if Ford was liable any time anyone got into any car accident in a Ford. Nobody is going to want to make a vaccine if they are liable for literally any health issue anyone has after they get a vaccine because there is almost no way to prove or disprove if the issue was actually caused by the vaccine.

"Why is the risk totally on you, meaning the government and vax companies are protected from any responsibility?"

How many vaccines have you happily taken in your lifetime without thinking about this, and now suddenly it's a problem? Nothing changed with the COVID vaccine. Vaccine makers have a protection against liability because when you give any medication to hundreds of millions of people, inevitably some of them are going to have issues after the vaccine. It might not even be because of the vaccine, because if you have hundreds of millions of people in your sample, some of those people will develop health issues at any given time just by d-mb luck. So if the vaccine makers are on the hook for every health issue hundreds of millions of people have at any time after they get a vaccine, well then there's not much incentive for vaccine makers to produce new vaccines then, is there? You're looking for some vast conspiracy, and there is none.

Lots of concerted shilling going on here. If it is so safe and effective, why all the hate and threats? I thought you cared about people? Or is that just a bludgeon to coerce people into compliance?

Well then it sounds like it's time to roll up your sleeve, snowflake.

@1scj, it must be fu----g exhausting constantly thinking everyone is out to get you. Have you checked your hedges this morning for any masked burglars waiting outside your house now that the police got defunded?

Looks like GM is penalizing employees who do not report vaccination status. Doesn't say they have to be vaccinated (at this time).

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2021/09/27/gm-covid-vaccine-policy-salary-workers/5891538001/

Get vaxxed or get axed. Good riddance for those that want to risk my health. You want to be selfish fine, I'm sure McDonald's don't mind.

Great, Another metric that GDIA will create dashboards and metrics for HR, BCG, and exec teams (who cares about HIPAA- BTW you saw the fine print absolving Ford from protecting you personal vaccine status right?)
What will that metric be used for? Hmmmm. Which country has the highest vaccine acceptance and highest positive opinions about the vaccine? Would it happen to be the same country Farley was quoted by freep saying a significant number of Ford white collar jobs would be relocating to that country?

We're supposed to believe we're living in a deadly pandemic and the only reason it continues is because people won't get vaccinated, yet at least 16% of New York's 450,000 hospital staff refuse to get vaccinated. Why would they refuse? Either they don't see the threat of the virus or they fear what the vaccine will do to them. One study showed the group most hesitant to get the vaccine are PhDs. Not uneducated Trump rednecks. The most educated people in our society are the most hesitant to get the vaccine. Why?

@1vsm, I am fine with that idea, but it seems like they're planning to bring remote workers back in some capacity if they're asking everyone about vaccination. And even if they aren't, this is a federal rule, it's not Ford's rule. It's probably not up to Ford whether they have to ask everyone or not.

Hey @1mxq+1d2fwMRz, quit being a black & white absolutist. There are many, many thousands of white collar workers at Ford who have been working 100% remotely for 18 months now. A reasonable policy would be that before anyone is allowed on any site where others may be present proof of vaccination must be on file to satisfy OSHA. No need to demand that everyone report personal health status.

@1jlq, well what we do know for sure is that someone who's vaccinated is a he-l of a lot less likely to have COVID in the first place. So regardless of whether or not someone who's vaccinated is any less likely to spread it, they're less likely to have it to begin with. So for any given person you come into contact with, if they're vaccinated, they're less likely to give you COVID because they're less likely to have COVID. Pretty basic logic.

@1mxq

You seem to be operating under the mistaken assumption that the unvaccinated are much more likely to carry and spread covid than the vaccinated. This assumption goes against all available science. We just don't want to subject ourselves to rules created by individuals like you who refuse to acknowledge and accept the scientific facts.