Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Not all managers are the same

As a Manager I will respond by saying many of you have no idea. I agree there are poor Managers out there just as there are poor performers at every level of every role. Does not make all bad. It used to be good to be in Management and help lead people by being available to show and teach and focus on those employees who did quality work and wanted to grow. It does not work like that anymore because Managers have to spend so much time completing useless tasks and follow up on the poor performers. HR policies and actions have changed to a point where I really don't see any attraction to the role. There is more money and less responsibility in Individual Contributor roles and HR only supports you opposed to making you feel guilty all the time. No one needs to feel sorry for Managers, but maybe you could have a little understanding as to what they are dealing with every day. Just one bad performer who also contributes negativity into our environment can literally eat up 25% or more of their Managers time each work week.

I nabbed this from another thread, because this explains the current situation with managers perfectly. All credit goes to https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cg4h4x2 - Post ID: @1ncb+1cg4h4x2

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I was recently displaced and am in the tail end of a new home build that has taken 15 months (compared to 8 months) due to the pandemic. The lender will contact The work number (Equifax) for employment verification. I took the continuation pay. Do you know how it reflects on the the work number site? Active/ inactive? Thanks. I apply to several jobs a day and the process is crazy and so lengthy. Job Postings that closed last month still show my app in review status. I just need some reassurance my new home is not in jeopardy else I will be homeless in 2 months.

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Yep, that is also why I left management.

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Post ID: @1ymz+1cj5waZT

Biggest mgmt problem is tasks piling but never any going away. I can work all day and never be done.

Also, snowflake employees r hard 2 feel with.

Also, upper mgmt directs stuff down but doesn't xplain y. Wtf is that.

Also, employees complain up so every1 is always complaining 2 u

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Post ID: @1ccy+1cj5waZT

I did the management thing but now enjoy being an everyday worker. As a former manager, I get to see the problems managers go through and I get to say to myself how nice it is that I don't have to deal with that stuff anymore. The extra money was never ,ever, worth being in management.

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@dfm+1cj5waZT

Post of the day. Nice. Whether it's at WF or elsewhere, I predict much success in your future!

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Post ID: @lvd+1cj5waZT

At @dfm+1cj5waZT

Great Post! Perfect example that one person from any group does not represent all. And kudos to you for being better than the average worker of you generation.

You are an example for others. Hard work always sets you apart in a positive light. Hard Work as a Millennial gives you a path full of opportunities in your future as the competition won't be able to keep up.

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Post ID: @ntv+1cj5waZT

Hi all - millennial here.

Those of you posting it might be a generational issue with the entitlement mentality of my generation thinking they should be able to exploit every single protection possible to get out of work is absolutely correct. My generation sucks and I apologize on our behalf.

When I was in management I found it much easier to work with baby boomers who were 30 years older than me than people my own age. They were respectful, hard working, and flexible, whereas anyone born 1990 or later tended to (not ALL, but a significant amount) mainly worry about simply doing the bare minimum to keep their jobs. Going above and beyond is simply a foreign concept to millennials who have no concept of being selfless.

On the plus side, having this as my competition has made it very, very easy to stand out and allowed me to move up the chain pretty fast at this company.

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Post ID: @dfm+1cj5waZT

Probably the only real posting on this site. GREAT POST !! The development and value of front line and middle managers is WF greatest weakness. Glorified babysitters based on our HR policies and "allowances" without the support from Sr. Leaders or HR to do the job needed for all of those who as noted below, exploit the system.

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Post ID: @fte+1cj5waZT

Tire. People get away with stuff now that 15 or 20 years ago would have them being escorted out with a box of their stuff in their hand.

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Post ID: @vgy+1cj5waZT

No one wants to hold anyone accountable anymore. That goes for both onshore and offshore but I noticed it started with the proliferation of offshore.

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Post ID: @viy+1cj5waZT

Honestly the post sounds like it could have come from my manager. It's become so difficult for them to train and coach their teams. It's also gotten very difficult to bubble up major concerns about some processes. I know my manager and 2-up really go to bat for us on big issues, but it's like even some things that could pose a major risk just get brushed aside or tabled and forgotten. I get everything is uncertain now with the cap and COVID, but a lot of this is a systemic issue. I think also that trimming some middle management is backfiring in overloading work on a few rather than making things more streamlined and efficient.

Definitely agree that there are plenty of people now sort of coasting at their jobs. Very little efficiency and attention to detail anymore.

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Post ID: @msc+1cj5waZT

"I’ve never seen so many people with so many personal problems and who exploit the HR policies in all my life..."

Truer words were never spoken. Most employees are great, but there is a good size chunk of the workforce that believes that should get 365 days off per year, full pay, an exceeds rating, a 5% raise, and be the top candidate for any job they apply for. Such employees dump their work load on everyone else without a care in the world and suck the soul out of everyone in the room. Some people have legitimate reasons for their time off, and some are just working the system for every last penny they can get while screwing everyone else.

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Post ID: @khf+1cj5waZT

Used to be in management but when I changed companies I didn’t want to be a babysitter anymore or deal with multiple masters as you are forced to cave to third party vendors because upper management doesn’t like push back and actually hold them accountable for the systems they are allegedly supporting. It’s not worth the headaches or being 24/7 on call.

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Post ID: @fnq+1cj5waZT

I’ve been a manager my entire career with several banks, and I’ve never seen so many people with so many personal problems and who exploit the HR policies in all my life. Not sure if it’s just a generational thing or people intentionally come here to blend in and just do just enough to keep their job. They have transformed this please into a daycare.

As manager, it’s exhausting. Add the fact that I discovered that my compensation is 75% of MRP….

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