Take it for what it is but that is what was told to us.
My 2 cents is that I've never seen a VRIF without an IRIF following. Plus his wording was maybe HR sounding to me, but it has not been communicated could still be an honest answer. Guess we'll see after Monday.
Obviously they’re not going to speak freely to every level of management about the RIFs. If you think your manager is in the know, you’re probably wrong. They do this from the tops down. Chances are your managers name might be in the list too. No one is safe. No one is guaranteed to have a job beyond the next wave. Do your best to survive or leave the company. Stop stressing over what you can’t change unless you’re willing to exercise your right to make a change. You work here. You know what happens next. Don’t be in denial here.
There will be both VRIFs and non-voluntary. The VPs picked the employees to be cut last week. Managers, who had zero input, found out this week which of their employees were going to be cut and may have had a chance to argue an employee's case or not, based on whether their VP would listen and had any common sense. HR to review the VRIF candidates this week and all RIFs will be completed before the end of the month. You still have time to volunteer. I wouldn't want to be left behind when this sh– show cuts 40% of the workforce in one month.
My manager had no clue I was getting laid off because he was assigning me tasks the morning of when his boss had sent me a 1on 1 skype meeting request with a HR tag-a-long. I wasn't even there long enough to get placed in the 9 box system
If your supervisor is below a Director they have no clue. When asked about Involuntary RIFS our Director said, for our group, it depends on how many volunteers they have that they accept. Claimed to not know what % they are aiming for. Involuntary will obviously fill whatever hole there is. Last round our Sr Managers didn’t know who was going until it happened. They had no input into the selection. It was made at the Directors level and above. You know, folks who don’t know the workers. And yes, I am SURE they have already ranked everyone so once the voluntaries come in and they sort them they will just go to their giant lists and axe us quickly.
@xxv I think "A–hole" should suffice.
I wonder if managers now have a metric regarding getting volunteers? Secret of course. All real metrics are secret .. wouldnt want to influence the outcome
Can we change Mad Dogs name to "Mad Mutt". Mad Dog is too nice a name for him.
Duh, read the news. If you work a product that has the number 7 in the name.. get a cardboard box and three envelopes.
I agree with the other posters on this. I think mad dog Mike will not stop with the cuts until he's certain the stock price has been protected for Q2. Q3 and 4 is an entirely different conversation but this RIF will be voluntaries first, then filled in with involuntary RIFs. If the market doesn't improve, we can expect the same along with more furloughs, salary reductions, and further reductions in q3 onwards. Normally I'd say we can wait this out, but with the complete lack of qualified leaders in this company, AERO will be caught completely flat footed and totally unprepared for when the market rebounds and we will not enjoy that wave.
Get out as soon as you can. Start floating resumes and talking to job placement people to find alternative employment NOW while we are still employed. Once you do, the constant stress and churn you're experiencing will melt away and you'll probably find out it's the best thing that could have happened to you. Make your own delicious lemonade with Honeywell's rotten lemons!
Layoffs at 35% overall Aero not just ISC. Some org are more while others are less. The Sourcing group will be the lowest since they are the ones that supposedly moving out all those parts out from the sites while the crunch takes place left with a few poor souls to churn out measly sums to satisfy an unthinkable target conjured by KS trying still to figure out what he's supposed to do other than thinking that metrices are just playful numbers.
Anyone knows whats with the sourcing team especially that clueless supplier transformation group? Even with volumes at historical lows, that past due has remain as stable as a flat-liner during MM reign at ISC. Can someone shut this group down to make up for all those lost jobs that were actually doing something meaningful other than figuring which part goes to which area of the world. Sad sods should have been shut down when Ebertz was shown the door.
They worked last weekend on their list if there aren't enough volunteers that they WANT to take. Again, not all Vs will be accepted if considered critical. Expect more consolidations.
Think about it.. .we just had a voluntary offer a couple of weeks ago... How many are left that didn't take it?
Whoever that person is who told you that is one of the pathetic liars that this site was built for. They’ve already put lists of names together and they are ready to go. Call that person out on their b—s— - you are likely to get rif’d anyways. At least go out with your head up.
The key in that response is “not been communicated”. In other words, the carefully worded scripts that these leaders are all woodenly reading deliberately do not answer the question of what’s next. And all the meetings I’ve heard of, they deliberately skirt the question of how many and when.
They want massive headcount cut. Period.
If the leaders told us the true percentage or numbers there would be mass panic.
They will evaluate how many volunteers they have then make up the difference with involuntaries.
If you think they won’t do this and also consider taking even the most popular employees, you are sadly mistaken.
We are nothing but numbers on a spreadsheet to them.
You may just be sitting in the wrong chair when the music stops, but it really has nothing to do with you or how well you are workin
Yes, there’s both a voluntary and involuntary RIF. There’s no question.
What is an “I” RIF? I didn’t know we had different kinds of RIFs.....Not that it surprises me.