Expect Layoffs
Expect a global re-balancing in market share for this aircraft class
Expect difficult times ahead for those who cannot adapt
Expect difficult times ahead for those who have only known Boeing.
Expect darkness and despair
Expect Layoffs, again and again
Expect to find yourself in the fetal position.
a day ago by Anonymous | 8 reactions (+8/-0)
Post ID: @12kn9pKj-xtn
The first domino to drop. Boeing is negotiating Union Contracts early. And the union leaders continue to prosper, while employees suffer.
SPEEA is screwed first, IAM will be next.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20810M#aoh=15816883608656&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7997503/Boeing-fires-mid-level-executive-embarrassing-emails-employees.html
Boeing fires executive over 'embarrassing' leaked emails between pilots that
said the beleaguered 737 had been built by 'clowns' –
{Even though he neither sent nor received the messages}
Boeing’s Top Management are {Scum}
Anyone could be next, be sure to applaud the “Emperor's New Clothes”
Fuselage deal pushes back recovery of 737 Max production rates:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/fuselage-deal-pushes-back-recovery-of-737-max-production-rates/136644.article
Under a 6 February memorandum Spirit has agreed to deliver 216 Max
Fuselages this year. The agreement replaces Spirit’s deal with Boeing,
reached last April, through which it intended to continue delivering fuselages
at 52 per month – despite Boeing’s production cut for the type to 42.
But the new pact – which depends heavily on the Max’s return to service –
Also shows that Spirit “does not expect” a return to the 52-per-month rate
until late 2022.
@yrw+12lmFi8K
@2uxy+13kjDfyQ
In the immortal words of William Jefferson Clinton
That all depends on your definition of (is)
2/6/2020 1:47 PM
Two hours ago
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/boeing-finds-new-software-issue-with-737-max
Boeing Finds New Software Issue With 737 MAX
Reuters February 6, 2020
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/faas-d—son-says-regulators-seem-153407050.html
@12nss Please See Boeing Operational Rules
@3xif+13k38AJQ
Certification flight is expected within weeks and still no layoffs....
In my life I have seen more than I can repeat more than I would ever share
Horrible things unspeakable things I have seen. So much so I am sad to say
I am never shocked by the insane. Discouraged disheartened and in disbelief
I may be but never shocked, Boeing Management Is Insane.
Keep your distance; their industrial disease may be contagious.
They run up and down the halls their on fire, get to close you may get burnt.
@vec
Aviation industry supplier Precision Castparts has laid off approximately
150 Oregon workers due the halt in production of Boeing’s 737 MAX.
https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2020/02/precision-castparts-lays-off-150-in-oregon-due-to-boeing-737-max-production-shutdown.html
Personnel received the layoff notification this week.
@vec
https://ca.reuters.com/article/idCAKBN1ZY2U1?rpc=401&
Boeing will not cancel CEO incentive award tied to MAX return
This Guy > David Calhoun, Boeing’s CEO who Said
“I want to be sure I understand everything about the Wide Body,
Narrow Body world.”
Now Beelzebub’s Boeing Board of Misfit Miscreants Says
“We believe tying our new CEO’s incentive-based compensation to
key strategic objectives, including the safe return to service of the
737 MAX, is in the best interest of our company, our workforce, and
the flying public,” Boeing government operations executive
vice president Tim Keating wrote in a Jan. 23 letter to the lawmakers.
@vec
Corruption Is global and rampant Corporation and Governments will Fail
The Tax Payers will flip the Bill / with no job_???
@10xmx+12lmFi8K
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/509438
Many government-linked corporations, such as Proton or Malaysia Airlines (MAS), would not have failed if corruption was nipped in the bud from the very beginning.
We build them quick but because not all the parts fit
We give them a kick a pry a tap; here a smack there a snap we don’t care
We build them strong in case something goes wrong
We would like them to stay in the air that sounds fair but we don’t care.
We get paid either way, bonuses for successes extra pay if we can’t stay.
We are Boeing Board of Misfit Miscreants; can you guess our name
We be Beelzebub;
We be Boeing Board of Misfit Miscreants; you knew our name; but could not say
We had you sign an NDA
Yoursay: AirAsia - in the eye of a corruption storm
It is completely unacceptable for any form of corruption to be involved in the
business dealings between the aviation companies and service providers as
this will both, directly and indirectly, compromise the safety of the aircraft.
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/509438
@vec
@Tngn with No new Orders for the last 11 months Dang it
We are Phonged; Expect Layoffs
Somebody has to work off this 14 billion dollar debt.
We may be transferred to South Carolina or Mobile Alabama, in years to come,
Even after Airbus Buys Boeing BCA we will be working somewhere for some time.
We who build have a much better chance of staying employed than,
The Boeing Board of Miscreants
http://www.boeing.com/company/about-bca/south-carolina-production-facility.page
https://airbusalabama.com/
@5kww+138pWUB7
I would be more worried about layoffs if there weren't 4000+ orders for the 737 already on the books. All those planes still need to get made.
And very quiet I might add.
But I'm sure your post and this one will be severely voted down. Not because they are not true, but because they don't want to hear it.
They will post more bad headlines. Tell us we are kidding ourselves or a blind and stupid because we don't see the writing on the walls.
They will ignore the facts which are that Boeing has said no layoffs from the beginning of this whole thing and the fact is that there have been no layoffs to date.
If there are eventually layoffs, even if it's two years after the MAX is flying again, they will be here claiming they were right.
If there are no layoffs, you won't see one of them here saying they were wrong.
10 months and counting.
Still no word on layoffs!
@Qkxi+12lmFi8K – I do can respect your optimism, but for me, alas I am jaded
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/boeings-ceo-sees-737-max-production-resuming-spring-68459220
King 5 live feed no commentary due to non event; action begets commentary.
Unless I’m going somewhere outside a weather event I will not attempt a takeoff.
Takeoffs are Optional Landings are Mandatory.
A unambiguous example:
Say I just had an annual preformed, would anyone with a lick of sense take that
First flight into inclement weather, no one I know would do so.
“I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my friends will call it.”
(Edgar Allan Poe)
And Still No One Stands Up To Say NO.
Put lives at risk for some Positive Publicity cajoling the bankers into security.
Yes sir right away sir, said the sad man the defeated man the beaten down man.
Ruthless are the Rulers; Put them all on the Plane.
You risk us we risk you.
Boeing had 6 billion in cash prior to the Max fraud unfolding now there
Telling us the debt effect is 8 billion that’s 14 billion in losses, I can count too.
8 billion in debt as of Now 01/25/2020 4000 Max aircraft need to be built and sold
Six years of job security at Renton with Max rate of 52 per month.
Back to work someday; hopefully the Rulers don’t get to stay.
@3deu+12EUbeqw
I think my 7 years will get me by no problem. Confident enough I just bought
A new truck
LAMO
@1fbz+12kPCm1T
Agreed, when a company "pauses" or goes backwards in a prelude to cancellation.
It's easy to be jaded at a company with this much corruption, smoke and mirrors and impression. Watching derivative airplanes when the buybacks have been sinking the company due to lack of a true airplane is dismall. There won't be a new airplane if ever for a decade. Any bets on that?
I think that the press has never been a part of a first flight. Unless it is rain and lightning, you go out and try. Yes, they did know the weather. But the wind was out of the south. On a first flight, they are required to take off to the north due to population centers.
Yes, you can take off down wind, but there are talewind limits and they are more stringent on a first flight. They were probably hoping the gusts would die down, they didn't.
Therefore they will try again.
@Qtpc
I think someone in PR not management made the decision to stage the 777X
Flight, granted management is not smart enough for this Dog and Pony Show.
If the 777X took flight with no incident the news would be a Snap Shot.
Instead they got to hold the spotlight for a few hours.
We all know the faces of the news media are dullards, none smart enough
To Ask Why and for most all of it, it was just an open feed void of content.
https://www.slashgear.com/wind-just-ruined-the-boeing-777xs-majestic-first-flight-24607666/
Boeing Management still not in-touch with reality as it attempts to demo the
777X during a wind storm.
Boeing’s brand new 777X failed to make its first test flight today,
after inclement weather forced the 777X First Flight to be rescheduled.
Strong winds left the plane waiting for several hours at the end of the
runway in Everett, Washington on Friday, before Boeing admitted defeat.
For God’s Sake; For all are Sake, the weather is broadcasted on Aviation bands
We Need Managers Who Are Pilots.
Management is Embarrassing What? They don’t get King 5 Weather?
https://www.weather.gov/ilm/aviation
Raw TAF
KPAE 242320Z 2500/2524 18014G22KT P6SM SCT018 BKN050 BKN090
TEMPO 2500/2502 5SM SHRA BKN018 OVC040
FM250300 17012G22KT P6SM VCSH BKN025 BKN070
FM251200 15008KT P6SM -RA OVC025
FM251700 15008KT P6SM VCSH BKN040
Raw METAR
KPAE 250200Z 16008KT 10SM BKN013 BKN100 09/06 A2998 RMK AO2 T00890061
KPAE 250153Z 16008KT 10SM BKN015 09/06 A2998 RMK AO2 SLP154 T00890061
KPAE 250102Z 20012KT 10SM BKN015 09/06 A2996 RMK AO2 T00890061
KPAE 250053Z COR 19014KT 10SM BKN017 09/06 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP148 T00890061
KPAE 250002Z 18015KT 10SM SCT017 10/07 A2995 RMK AO2 T01000067
KPAE 242353Z COR 18015KT 10SM SCT017 10/07 A2995 RMK AO2 PK WND 19028/2256 SLP143 60003 T01000067 10111 20094 53004
KPAE 242331Z 18018G24KT 10SM BKN017 10/07 A2995 RMK AO2 PK WND 19028/2256 T01000067
https://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/news/2020/01/07/full-max-production-return-at-spirit-analyst-says.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo
Full MAX production return at Spirit? Analyst says its years away
Targeting a production freeze through February, investment firm
Canaccord Genuity expects it will be two more years before output
returns to 2019 levels.
I was told the UN was going to be the Renton shelter @vcez
35,000
Is it true they are planning on converting the Renton site into a homeless shelter
For the Boeing un-employed if the Max isn’t back in service by June 17th 2021
I think it's a great idea the move will keep the cafeteria staff employed and will
work well with the Boeing food bank that’s being planned on site.
Will union management be running the shelter or the Boeing board of miscreants?
For those who know @vec
@12E9z0F2-afhr
Boeing hires own ex-lawyer for Irish Max case
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/boeing-hires-own-ex-lawyer-for-irish-max-case-38832833.html
Boeing will lose {breach of contract}
The Arrogance and Laziness
OF Senior Management will be the Extinction of Boeing.
@vec
https://www.thestar.com/business/2020/01/03/air-canada-westjet-push-back-return-of-boeing-737-max-until-early-spring.html
Air Canada tells The Canadian Press it recently opted to push back the return
of the Boeing jet until April. WestJet says it has pulled its 13 Max planes from
the schedule until March 4.
{IMO} Good luck with that; is WestJet telling us their training, No.
Then who’s going to fly the Max. Oh wait there is no pilot training yet
Southwest Airlines and American Airlines have scrubbed the Once Heavily
Coveted Plane from their schedules until early-to-mid April,
While United Airlines has put off its return until early June.
Expect Layoffs
https://skift.com/2019/12/13/southwest-airlines-prepares-to-return-boeing-737-max-to-service/
Southwest Airlines Prepares to Return Boeing Max to Service
RIGHT – (Click Bate)
The carrier had 34 planes when they were ordered parked,
And had Expected to receive 41 more this year. That’s 2019.
That means it will have at least 75 planes to absorb into its fleet when
The grounding is lifted.
75 Planes 24 hour service / 60 duty hours Max in any 7 consecutive days
12 hour shifts (KISS)
75 x 2 x 2 = {300} Pilots – Oh Waite they need Training.
(Simulator Training; Not I Pad Training). 40 hours of Training Minimum.
300 x 40 = 12,000 hours to train up Pilots for the 75 Max Aircraft.
Two Shifts of Training 80 hours a week = 150 days {5 Months}
And that’s running people like machines.
Oh Waite Those 300 Pilots are not flying their scheduled routes.
Cha-Ching $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hey Dennis, how’s that save a nickel, save a dime, working out 4 ya
Oh Yes Boeing is paying for this too.
Say hello to Ed for us Dennis.
@11NFUEwo-6kzt
@11NFUEwo-1lwh
In all fairness to Dennis it’s the whole rotting culture.
Would somebody please fly the board of directors in to Renton and
Treat them to the clues being sold in the vending machines on the
Second floor, main building 4-21 @12reFXBv-1qxa
If U Know Can U Still B Expecting?
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/boeing-s-timeline-on-737-max-return-foiled-again-1.1361240
Another deadline for the return of Boeing troubled Max slips out of reach,
The company doesn’t appear to have any better handle on its messaging
now than it did when this crisis started more than a year ago.
Federal Aviation Administration Administrator Stephen Di*kson told CNBC on
Wednesday that the agency won’t complete the necessary approvals for the Max’s
return until 2020. The plane has been grounded since March
That’s a notable contrast to Boeing’s last official timing update, which called for
The FAA to give it the green light to start shipping stockpiled jets by December.
What’s this U say, Boeing doesn’t Run the FAA anymore? No Way Jose
Regulators weren’t expected to certify new pilot-training requirements
Until several weeks later and airlines wouldn’t be able to fly the Max
Until they did.
What’s this U say no Pilots No Planes? Are U insane, this is not the Boeing way.
Beginning the process of clearing out the glut of undelivered jets would
Help Boeing manage its cash crunch and avoid further production cuts.
Oh say it ant So Joe, you got cash woes
That puts Boeing Management in the awkward position of Once Again
Being on the wrong side of conservatism.
To plagiarize:
Because At Boeing, We Believe in Bad Ideas.
At Boeing Bad Ideas Can Only Get Better.
https://247wallst.com/aerospace-defense/2019/12/11/boeing-faa-get-roughed-up-in-house-hearing/
{Can’t fix a mechanical design issue with software} @2glk
Boeing Accountants can engineer a fix for anything, it’s just simple word math.
With the MCAS issue we have a system that was
The Fix is
Now we add the (Back Fill Time) 300 days of Half Measures
To the Half Measures on Quickie Time 90 days
We arrive at 390 days OF
Fully As*ed Back Fill Time Cobbled with Long Measures of Quickie Whole Time
Plus Lipstick
The 737 Max is now ready for service
You’re welcome
{Can’t Fix A Mechanical Design Issue With Software}
We Concur: 2glk
Take the bolts out of Frankenstein’s Neck.
Remove the ability of flight control inputs from MCAS.
Use MCAS to give the pilots Audio Alerts Only, let the pilots do their job.
This will avoid another (MCAS) event. (Mass Casualties After Startup)
Looking for House+Vehicle Combo Package.
Can’t fix a mechanical design issue with software. I’ve seen it time and time again. It never works. Fix the mechanical issues. That plane shouldn’t be allowed to ever fly again.
Hylock or rivet?
I’m looking to buy a late 2017 to 2019 Ford F350 Diesel on the cheap
Can I help anyone out
We bow to one!
THERE WILL BE COWERING!
How Boeing could still win back our trust // Dec. 4, 2019
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/04/perspectives/boeing-trust-muilenburg/index.html
This is a Must See: The reading of an email to Muilenburg by a Congressman
The email originated from 4-22 senior management and was sent to *** M.
The subject matter was covered in a previous posting.
On Thread Titled “FAA is a joke” posted 2 months ago @11CjeUhV
Reference: @11CjeUhV-2qxr
Titled - "To Be Honest"
Wings leaving WSI Incomplete, sent to 4-22
Aircraft pushed out the door of Final Assy. Incomplete
(It’s all coming out)
Senior Management in Final Assembly is to be Highly Commended.
They Risked It All, Putting it in writing and still, No One Listened.
Disgraceful: What do you do when you walk the talk and are ignored?
Boeing ethics where? On the bottom line that’s where.