I used to think that people who complained about all the Indians were racist. But the last six months have been ridiculous. Each wave of new hires is like 90% Indian in tech. There is something seriously wrong and dishonest with a company that hires like that. Managers pretend like they don’t see it. They get rid of the long timers- US citizens and replace them with Indians over here. It’s getting worse not better.
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@2c2 That's why self-healing and zero-touch production are the buzzwords. The code just has to work well enough that a script automatically restarting the pod makes it appear functionally fault-tolerant.
@s0 I guess that's why my white American husband has to work from 12am to 3am 3 days a week (after working a full day) so offshore folks don't keep fu--ing sh-t up. He literally has to micro manage change orders because Indians have managed 3 outages in the last month. It's not quality, it's all about cheaper labor.
@n2+1knra0549 - you are certainly entitled to that opinion
@s0+1knra0549 - that is statistically incorrect
I thought Vivek had already explained clearly to everyone that Americans lacked intellectual capacity for this kind of work. They are useless, hopeless, d-mb. They like sports, partying and drinking; and they are simply unable to study STEM subjects. Therefore, Indians must keep coming to the USA — more with each passing year — to save this nation from intellectual, and perhaps even physical, calamity. Next time you see an Indian engineering manager, keep this in mind and thank him or her profusely for saving your country. And please consider that their taking away your job, roof over your family’s head, food, car, health care, pride, freedom, and your future are the price many, many Americans will just have to pay for the privilege of being saved from their own ignorance. The faster you accept this reality, the easier it will be for you and your family to reconcile your exaggerated expectations with the prevailing world view. If you still might have any questions, I think posing them in next global Town Hall might further illuminate the matter. It would be interesting to hear the CEO and Head of HR elaborate on this question. Oh, and do not forget to thank Charles for doing you this great favor.
@t9 WFC will soon been transformed into a US bank run by Indians..
@s0 my experience says different. Some are good, some average and some absolutely terrible. Like it makes me think they have fake credentials. That still doesn’t explain why we are hiring out of one country. If we really were hiring on an even playing field we would see Chinese, Vietnamese, Germans, Russians, etc.
@bh+1knra0549
Free enterprise and capitalism live alongside opportunity. One can move from poor to wealthy, but it is difficult through determination and hard work. It does not happen in socialist or communist systems. A poor man in the USA lives better than a poor man in other countries that do not practice capitalism. And that poor man can one day become wealthy , or less so, middle class, or even less so, remain poor. But at least there is that opportunity, a key word.
Maybe it’s not about race but it’s about they have a stronger work ethic and knowledge base than you (and I’m a white U.S. born citizen)
@bh You are wrong, they are not "dirt cheap". Companies cannot hire lower wages than what is stated for that job whether US or HB1....If they are dirt cheap, why do they mostly drive expensive cars like BMW, Lexus, Teslas, those are not cars for cheap workers.
@he I'm guessing you were racist well before June of 2020
It's funny, they'll pay uncaring American contractors double what the FTE they are replacing make, and they'll pay I&P people with no skills half as much. What they refuse to tolerate is the FTE that would give a damn and actually be good at the job. It tells us something about just how much they hate us that neither compensation nor competency is relevant in their eyes. All they care about is eliminating American workers. That's the singular goal. F customers, F risk, F compliance, none of that matters.
@gy after 43 years in IT i've never seen it so bad - I get the money thing but don't act like with American employees there is a skill gap - it's hard to work the skills when they won't hire americans to do the job
Next, you'll be telling us about how an Indian executive once urinated on someone else and you'll share the video clip. Or you'll suggest the expletive laced rant of a former employee who was fairly high up and also brown. You're still racist, go fu-k yourself. In the same goes to every one of you, co-k, goblins, circlej--king each other about how right you think each other are.
hi! I converted to racism in June 2020 when I saw all the insufferable post a black square on instagram. welcome to the club!!
Not to mention the bathroom behavior by the former sub continent residents. It is a sink , not a bird bath.
Legitimately and fairly criticizing people, even if they belong to a certain demographic, is in no way racist and understanding that is the first step to stopping our country's slow decline.
An Indian manager only hiring other Indians is him/her acting on their own preferences. An American executive shipping jobs overseas for cheap labor is him/her acting on their own preferences.
Well, everyday Americans can have our own preferences too. We want to be able to make a living. We don't want our country to be something that non-Americans use to extract wealth from, and then intentionally exclude us from the entire system.
Stop being afraid of standing up for yourself and your own interests, regardless of the labels someone might throw at you.
@cj exactly. I don't begrudge anyone trying to make a living. We all would jump at the same opportunities if offered. However, executives can go fu-k themselves. Greedy ba----ds that are racist and literally say out loud, "I refuse to hire anyon outside my country."
@fq have you been to the cafeteria or a core campus? Almost all Indians speaking Hindu or Hinglish. It’s wrong to replace Americans with Indians on H1B visa and if that makes me a racist so be it.
@d3, your story sounds made up, but just in case it’s not:
Mildly put, your logic comes off as prejudiced, and unless you’re actively trying to report yourself as racist, I’m not sure you’ve got a case for ethics.
This is what your report would sound like to them: “Hi, I’m not a racist, scouts honor, but hear me out - I never saw the person or hear a strange accent, but the mention of ‘my country’ was enough for me to assume they were foreign.
@d3 let me guess- he is in the US but his “my country” comment doesn’t mean here. That’s part of the problem. I don’t have a problem with any person honestly getting a job. But don’t then turn around and hire all your ethnic group for every role. You are not selecting the best candidate just by the statistics.
I spent my first two hours today cleaning up three items sc--wed up by “support staff” overnight. Not an unusual event.
@c6 true! If they can steal TikTok for national security, they can stop off shoring!
A few weeks ago in office I heard an Indian manger-I assume…in a conference room with door open say, “I will not hire anyone from outside my country.” I slumped down in my cube, feeling very uncomfortable in my own skin. I am considering filing an ethics complaint report but I don’t want contacted, targeted or the hassle and why bother, they don’t care and want us to quit. I have felt even more disgusted being in office. Im just trying to do my job and support my family. I don’t care who is sitting next to me, but I don’t need to feel less than because I’m American in my own country!
Its not racism if your anger is mostly directed at the execs making the decision to move in this direction, rather than the indian workers who are mostly just trying to make an income like the rest of us.
Do the needful and you will be fine.
You are never a racist if the evidence demonstrates they are intentionally giving and promoting jobs to Indians or (fill in the blank) to eliminate white Western European ethnicities (starting with the males) from the work force. Personally, I see the migration of all (financial) technology jobs overseas as a national security issue that needs immediate attention.
It isn’t just happening in Tech.
It's because of the modern containerized stack reducing the need for in-depth quality engineering. The idea now is just write code that's good enough, and restart the container if it breaks. The entire process is designed to lower the bar for entry and compress what was a good salary path into a service job.
yeap in a tech meeting I counted 24
out of 26 people are Indians.
now I am gone
It’s because they’re dirt cheap. This is the result of late stage capitalism. Unless congress steps up and does something about it (spoil alert they won’t because they’re 1%’ers) this country will consist of nothing more than landowners and peasants.