Thread regarding SAP layoffs

@qn Yeah, just be single and childless. Slave away for your employer. I'd hate to bring a child into this world anyway. Everyone is so selfish, family units are being decimated in the name of capitalism, women have no morals, iPad skibidi kids repeating 6-7, and we have Indian replacements coming in to fill the void - causing a housing crisis everywhere. It's a joke to even raise a family in the west these days.

@qn you must work in one of SAP’s delivery services teams. Their core competency was paying 40 hours per week, making you live at the customer on Sunday afternoons, and f__l<ing employees out of time with their spouse and kids to deliver poorly orchestrated sales deals.

@qk Sure, take them out to the park and not have them work early on. They grow up with an entitlement mentality. Big daddy government comes in and hands them free money just like their parents. That's why inflation and your salary has been so heavily debased over the last 7 years because people don't know what to do when a bat virus comes along.

@m9 Families are overrated everyone I know is divorced. They all happen to be white.

@pe how about spend some quality time playing with your kids, take them to a park, swimming pool...just make them happy which will make the parents happy as well... It seems like a better option tbh...life isn't all about work...kids are only kids once in their life....don't ruin it! Or you'll regret it for the rest of your life (and their life).

We need to lay off more developers because they can be easily replaced by AI. This will free up some money for share buybacks. The share price is low and it's a great time to buy back.

Does Chuck also have a second job?

@mf I am not saying to stay with an employer who doesn't pay enough. You can work a second job for 3 months until you find an upgrade to your primary work. Bottom line is be smart and use common sense. What can the average employee do to raise wages at SAP? Not much except switch jobs, but the job market su*ks with so many ghost jobs harvesting your data to telemarketers. So work a second job, get some more skills and move onto another organization that pays comparably. It's sad that I have to say this, but I have seen so many great people resign, be made redundant, or just absolutely quiet quit until they get laid off. That's the new reality of SAP.

@m9 Simple, get the kids to work to. This use to be the norm kids were considered assets and actually did things around the house like dishwashing and chores. Now kids are glued to their iPads all day. Get them out and earning a pay check.

We need more cuts . The way the abap layer is written itself means we should cut
More . It is just pure atrocity .

@m9 well, we are capitalist slaves after all. Our group and area executives and the executive board make 300 times the money we make while not even working 1/3 times as much. Since Christian Klein took over as CEO, the wage gap between executives and employees has widened. And the benefits have been cut. Most people who tell you to get a second job are either HR stooges or they condone this behavior. They are trying to reinforce the false belief that the money you earn is somehow proportional to the amount of effort and time you put into work. But reality is far from truth.

@kb When you have a family and just 24h a day I don't know where you can find the hours and energy to get a second job without seriously destroying your health, family and social life.

@g9 because by doing so, management can stop employees from organizing. An organized workforce won't be as fearful of tooth brushing exercises as a disorganized one.

@bp Get a second job, SAP allows it just don't work for a competitor, partner or customer.

Why does it always have to see people trying to derail the conversation here about sharing info and tips related to the future reorg into some politics BS ?

Vote for who ever you like in your country and leave us here alone...
SAP is indeed a global company but what happens in a country doesn't necessarily interest people in another country especially people who come here searching for information that might impact their future at SAP.

@c0 Agreed. There are too many Chief of Staff in SAP, they are merely useful but just s**t.

The entire SAP management believes that some people lead vibe coding with Claude is better than technical architects and software developers who actually built SAP products. Most of them don't even realise that the cost of Claude credits combined with the time and money wasted in fixing Claude mistakes is far costlier. These AI bros sincerely believe that AI can already replace engineers. These loyalists who dance when their masters tell them to dance are the real problem. If we could have less of these people leads and project managers and chiefs of staff, we would be a much leaner and better company.

@bd totally agree... A lot of engineers are in this same mindset: people want to leave but these are bad times for software engineers... especially experienced ones... they're all scared that they won't find a job immediately... It's also a feeling mixed with regret that they didn't invest early enough to have a second source of income that would make the decision to change job easier...

@bb the Betribsrat is new although it still consists of the same career politicians that have sat in the previous layoff discussions. HR and the supervisory board will spend a month or so putting pressure on them and they will cave in like they always do. This time, the executive board isn't asking for mass layoffs. They are asking for incremental but regular layoffs like 2000 every quarter or so. The idea is govern with fear and to make SAP such a bad place to work that employees besides the friends and family of executives will leave. The money saved from severance will go into area budgets which will increase the area and group executive bonus budget. I am sick and tired of this behavior and wish to leave as well but the market is too bad for a move so I am simply biding my time.

@aj if the executives are "lost for ideas" and nothing they do is working then maybe we shouldn't be paying them millions of Euros in bonuses. They create such vague OKRs for themselves that they almost always hit them and get the money. This money could be used for so many good initiatives at SAP.

This time around the layoffs rumors are not coming from Waldorf. This means 2 things -

1. Layoffs are not happening till end of this year or start of next year and only box moves and product closures will happen.
2. Very big changes are coming including layoffs and work council approvals haven’t happened yet.
   There is such a nerving calm and it feels like before the big storm where everyone knows something will come but hardly anyone has a complete picture. There were leadership off sites in the last 3 weeks but still no information came out of it.

@aa I also fear that SAP don't have enough money (or don't want to give much) to propose as severance in Europe to convince employees to leave.
Their plan to deploy AI everywhere so that it replaces the engineers in maintenance didn't work because the AI price is too high, the implementation speed isn't high as well so they can't layoff the "old" guys taking care of the maintenance... So they're just lost and out of ideas to get rid of maintenance.

Executives realised that worker protections are too strong in Europe. So they are only going box moves and putting people on performance improvement plans now. In the Performance Management age, layoffs are hidden and you'll see colleagues leaving and hiring freezes from stopping managers from hiring replacements. The calculations say that group and area executives need to lay off between 8000 to 10000 in Europe to double the executive bonus budgets. Hence that number I guess. Customers aren't willing to pay more for our poor marketing where we slap an AI sticker on anything. That's why you see the share price drop so much. SAP can still salvage this situation by focusing on core products and maintenance revenues. But that cannot be accomplished by laying off so many colleagues. To accomplish that, we may actually need to hire more. And that would mean less bonuses for most executives.