60% each month? No it's over 3 months? Which 3 months?
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@110 Enjoy your year-end review.
@10p the reason we're in this mess is that so many of you are trying to figure out the absolutely minimum to comply and keep bringing attention to it by asking stupid fu--ing questions. If everyone just shuts up the scrutiny will go away. I'm zero percent worried about fractions of a percent. Big picture, that's not what matters. It's about targeting the worst offenders and getting rid of coffee badgers.
@qz the only reason anybody gives a fu-k about any of this sh-t is that it’s tied to compensation and continued employment for however long we stay in this steaming pile of sh-t of a company. So take a seat or enjoy your unemployed status.
@rg if they want to fire me for utilizing the flexibility they say this policy inherently has while maintaining a rolling 60.01%, I very much look forward to meeting with a labor lawyer and getting my settlement.
@qz Enjoy your impending termination.
Jfc, it's not that deep.
Stop worrying that a hundredth of a percentile is going to make or break your compliance. Go in 3 days a week. If you have a couple vacation days one week, just go in 2 days. You don't need to be Will Hunting to figure it out.
Too many of you care way to much about your number.
@pj they WERE doing it monthly (11 days) and then they changed it. 60% every single month is far more than the 11 days and a lot of folks struggled to make that even. At least with the rolling I can do 80% one month and 55% the next if i have to. But 60% every month I would likely fall short as would many others. They should have left it alone at the 11 days. It was fine that way. Better than this bullsh-t for sure.
@na Repost:
The official guidance states "You are expected to spend, on average, more than 60% of your working time in the office over a rolling three-month average..."
"Rolling" = over the previous three months.
As of right now, you should have spent an average of more than 60% of your available days from March, April, and May in office.
Next month, an average of more than 60% from April, May, and June.
So on and so forth.
I just don't think rolling 3 months makes any sense. It's possible to be at 60% or more with one set of rolling 3 but not another. They should just do it monthly for simplicity. This is a mess.
@na I waste too much time mathing how many days in office each week/month. It shouldn’t be complicated.
Wait I was told that it's 60% average every quarter. What does "rolling" 3 months mean? And what the he-l is calculated at the end of the year for reviews then? Why is this so confusing? No one seems to know anything. Does the MC even know what's being tracked and reported? Good god what an avoidable mess.
@m9 idk, I had no problems understanding Elfio's email with the 60+% called out. It was pretty clear to me.
@jv On the one hand I agree with you. On the other hand it was not communicated that IT CHANGED. Every single aspect of the communication was crafted to be like "oh, this is just an easier reporting method for everyone!" and the greater than 60% was slipped it as if it was the same requirement all along.
So I can understand people just not realizing the requirement materially changed. Yes it was communicated. But it's also true the communications were intentionally misleading.
If someone went 100% one month wouldn't they only have to go 41% the next month?
@eq I mean they communicated VERY clearly that is was more than 60%. Yes, it's fu--ing stupid. Yes, the goal post was moved. But if you somehow misunderstood the 60.01% your reading comprehension needs checked.
Oh, the plight of the 20-25 hour hybrid employee.
@eq Unkess your job requires you to be in the office and cannot be done remotely (ie, your job requires physical presence to interact with customers) or your manager has reason to believe that you are not performing, then if your manager gives two craps whether you are in the office for 10% or 50% or 75% then you have an awful manager.
It’s a rolling 3 months so there is really no benefit except to make up a missed day from the prior month.
Since it’s rolling, you can’t raw dog a solid month and work the entire next month from home.
@eq It changed to more than 60% in mid-April and was widely announced.
- Settle down, keyboard warriors, I don't like it either.*
It's June 6th, if your manager had to give you a warning two weeks ago, the expectation had already been in place for a month.
Regardless of what the MC is doing and how sh---y and manipulative it is, you have a basic responsibility to yourself to stay informed.
So many people in this company keep claiming ignorance over this specific policy when it hasn't been kept even a little bit secret.
The confusion is part of the point, yes. They want to drive attrition. But the expectation has been communicated repeatedly and there's no room to claim you don't know what it is.
@eq I mean really it was 80-90% of the 11 days and you were fine. I was routinely at the 90% and wasn't even on the radar.
Now it's 60.01% of the working days 100% of the time and they're like "but it's MORE"
flexible." And they keep insisting they aren't asking for more. They are and their lack of admitting that is what made people so angry. Secondary to the shift of the goal post and the IP tracking.
In April, it was 60%
2 weeks ago, my manager said I need to be over 60.
60% is need improvement. I need to be over 60.01 percent, so instead of of 12 days this month, I need to be in at least 13 days or get another talk
How can we meet our goals when it change every 3 months?
Started at 11 days to meet goal, then retroactive to 60 percent, now
I was told it’s Over 60%
@a9 gosh so emotional today over someone just asking a question. You having a bad weekend GK? Maybe those TTUS scores in the toilet and the fact that we have a known pile of trash as a CEO (you can just Google it if you don't believe me) getting under your skin? Maybe go take a walk and not take the nonsense of your employees so personally.
@a2 our leadership tried to say that the expectation has "always been 3 days or more" and I proceeded to provide documentation that no, in fact, it wasn't. The old guidance explicitly said that you didn't need to make up a day you stayed home for weather or if you were out a week for illness working remote. If they want to try to fire me over my 52% in jan and Feb, I'd be going to a labor lawyer right out of the gate.
My three month average is 6%. What are they going to do, fire us all? I don't care anyway.
Guess I’m fired I’m at 59.2% bye friends
An average of more than 60% over the previous three months.
As of right now, you should have spent an average of more than 60% of your available days from March, April, and May in office.
Next month, an average of more than 60% from April, May, and June.
So on and so forth.
Every and all three month combinations including past three months, previous previous three months, the next three months, Jan-June-Dec, Feb-April-May, Jan 2024-Jan 2025-Jan 2026. Any and all combinations!!! Unlimited possibilities!! No exceptions!!!! Because we are flexible :] Backdated to 1 yr before you started working here to ensure compliance.
And on a side topic, the fact they changed it from 60% to 60.01% and then backdated the requirement to squeeze out one more day from people is such a clear ethical breach, and even illegal given the backdating.
It's such a classic example of how the current version of the MC is throwing away any of this institution's former values like "We do the right thing" and "We put people first" and replacing it with "We'll do whatever we think we can get away with."