2.5 to 3 hours commuting daily, gas through the roof, plus all the other office expenses. I feel like an id--t for doing this. If RTO actually made sense, maybe I'd feel less bitter. But it's pointless. Counter-productive even. All the corporate spin has been hollow. Showing up feels like getting played.
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Walking into that gray drywall box called an office full of people wearing noise cancelling headphones and avoiding eye contact makes me question all my life choices. Where did it go wrong?
High as fuel is, I'm glad now I decided not to relocate. I'd be losing money.
@h5 I know. It's called BofA
@dx This is inherently false. My neighbor works for one of our direct competitors/peers. They are 3/2 with no hours tracked and plenty of flexibility to go in less than 3 for life events, weather, etc. Neighbor is home by 1:00 most in office days to beat the rush.
They don't really care about getting our best, they just want us to leave. And yes, it is depressing to be one of many that helped build this company only to have johnny come largely morally detestable dou--e nozzle executives make it their sole mission to get rid of us by any means necessary. F every one of them.
In the two years since I returned to office, 99% of my interactions with other people have been with cleaning staff and the cashiers in the cafeteria. The only reason its not 100% was that one time my boss' boss came to the site for a listening session and we spent an hour in a conference room putting on a song and dance for him.
@dx
Solid question. But one thing I do know is, I won't be here.
@bd >WFA is the least strict in the industry still being 3/2 hybrid.
Some of us are going to 4/1 on March 30. And I don't think it will be long before that's companywide. The question is, will 5/0 come in 2027 or 2028?
If the people signing the checks insist that showing up to a box daily is a required condition to continue recieving those checks, that's fine, not really a big deal. But that doesn't mean I have to respect that decision making, or ignore the evidence of my own eyes when it comes to the actual value of working in office. Compliance and respect are two very different things. That's what the weird bootlickers who invegle people to "stop whining" fail to understand.
At my location, people don’t even greet each other in the hallway or lunchroom. Everyone has headsets on to block out the noise from others—it feels really strange and kind of depressing. How does that impact the morale or productivity ? Whoever is running the shop has no idea about getting the best out of the employees.
honestly I’m fine with 3 days in office but with that stupid in office tracking and productivity tracking it’s just exchanging employees WLB for some metrics for the leadership
Took a 15% decrease to be in a remote job with no regrets. Get more me time. Hardly spend money on gas, parking, lunch, and work clothes.
Since you know the problem (we all do) the solution is to get a job at a different company/industry because it’s only going to get stricter. But realize at this point RTO is a fact at all financial firms. WFA is the least strict in the industry still being 3/2 hybrid. Everyone else is 4 days in or more. It s@cks but that is reality. You control your future.
Fun fact: there's no point for colocated teams either!
Sit, lay, and roll over. Now goys!
@a9 So True! WF is basically telling us to sit, lay and roll over. Working from allows freedom and they don't want that
Whiny a$$ pooters. Get over it and get to work!
No one on my team works in the same city as I do, so RTO is pointless for me. None of the "collaborative" arguments holds water. That being said, I do a lot of pointless things for a paycheck. It's part of the corporate game.
@af
Your insecurity is rather interesting. And sad...
I picture your father not accomplishing much and blaming it on everyone else. Going on and on about how he works his axx off while 'everyone else' does nothing. The bedroom comments point to insecurity as well as simple immaturity.
Did mom and dad like to fight a lot?
I'm interested in upgrading my education, skills, and experience.
When are you scheduling your Bootlicking 101 sessions? I want to learn from the best...
kids, I don’t like RTO either. Remember growing up mommy and daddy had different rules than you. Throughout school Teachers had different rules than you and so did the principal. This is LIFE and somethings aren’t fair. Quit wasting energy on this subject.
The benefits of returning to office are nebulous, hard to define and measure, and occur irregularly (if at all). Meanwhile the costs of returning to office are concrete, measureable, specific, and stare you in the face every single day that you drive to the office to take teams calls. People are never going to shut up about remote work, because the downsides keep coming up recurrently every day you commute in for no value add. Even the fact we still call it RTO four years after we've supposedly "returned" demonstrates what a crock of sh-t the whole thing is.
@OP Very True. Moreover this rule does not apply to senior executives though on paper it is. Why? There is nobody to oversee them. So no control.
@a8
And Wells makes you live in one of those cities? Or you choose/chose to do so?
If you had the education or the skills or the experience you could just go find another job. But you don't have those things, combined with a job market that probably doesn't want to hire you personally. So you sit and whine, dreaming up all this wacky conspiracies and theories that they company is taking advantage of you.
And, well, I suppose they may be. They also realize you have no means of escape. Not even through my mom's bedroom. (heads up, it's a revolving door)
RTO is management’s way to control you. Orwell said they tell you to ignore what you see to be true. You see that RTO doesn’t make things better. Management sorts out the easily led people who will spout out that RTO is great. The rest get laid off.
Grow up. Commute times in New York, New Jersey, San Fran, and D.C. are absurd. If there is a reason for it, fine. But I can run Python on the cloud from anywhere, including your moms bedroom.
LOL! It's not Wells' fault where you live or what commute you have. Even if they asked you to move to another site, it is your choice to say 'no'.
You people are a riot.
The irony is that many employees would take a 10% -15% pay cut to be guaranteed hybrid remote 2 days a week.
Instead they're going to get 10 to 15% attrition and not be able to hire people back. Oh well but at least we have Reese Witherspoon, rite?
For Teams meetings with India at that. It's ridiculous.
The only small good news is that now that the growth constraints are off, all the management rot will become rapidly apparent. A lot of groups were necessary but dysfunctional and tolerated under the consent order. Now they're not necessary and all that dysfunction won't be tolerated.
Update your resume, spend time trolling for jobs at other companies, that's all you can do about it