So I left the company last year, but am now considering returning due to pay. But I want to know the exact in-office requirements I would be committing to. I left for remote but I want to consider if the pay raise to return is worth being hybrid.
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They could. They'd be Fing stupid for doing so, but they could. My schedule is all over the place because operational needs demand it. I'm not sure I've ever worked less than 8 in my 25 years and I resent these do nothing clowns in NYC for their intentional morale tanking tactics. They are the worst kind of despicable executives and bring nothing to the table. WE do 100% of the work. They take millions per year and do nothing for it.
Absolutely true. 12-14 hour days are needed to coordinate properly in follow-the-sun model prevalent in WF LOBs that are engaged globally. Stealing the extra hours by enforcing 8-hour in-office requirement and resetting the clock at clock-in/-out is widely resented and, if systemic, reeks of executive ignorance, arrogance, or ulterior-motive-driven quasi-ambivalence. People see right through it and refuse to get engaged on such terms, and especially, if the failed policies are designed to offend their sense of duty, professionalism, or work ethics. The C-suite suits do not care this impacts operational readiness. They do not care, because the current trajectory is unsustainable and bound to lead eventually to complete and total crash. The very crash they did factor into their long-game exit plan when they originally took over.
this post is too funny
I put in close to 8 on the office then probably another 1-2 if needed at home. that may stop. all I know is that my in office reports show me hitting my 3 days and show hours as 8+. I also have a flexible manager so if I need to leave a couple hours early for an appt or kid thing I just let my boss know via email, her their OK then I'm covered. managers have some flexibility
@dp I work in WIM, so we all work around market hours regardless of local time.
Exempt employees can absolutely be told when to be at work and when to leave. If WF told everyone to work 6a-6p every day they could. Exempt just means you are exempt from getting any OT pay, not exempt from having a defined work schedule.
@dj If you work at all with folks in different time zones, the eight hour a day rule has had major impacts. In Chandler or San Fran,it was really common to start your day at 5 or 6 am to make more time available to coordinate with folks in India and on the east coast. Was pretty common to start your day early take those 6 am calls at home, then transition to the office to meet your in-office obligations once there's a break between calls. Also very common for tech folks to work odd hours at night so changes to production systems don't impact users during prime working hours. With the inflexible 8-hours rule, if you take calls at home then transition to the office, the clock resets to zero, and any extra hours working at home are being stolen from you. And most people don't have a home life where they can just get up and get their household squared away to be physically at an office at 6 am. End result, lots of people have decided to stop being accommodating, and just stick to an 8-5 schedule, and say no to early meeting. It works on the surface, in the sense people are meeting the 8-hour measure, but I'm noticeably, hours-less productive, trading those early morning meeting hours, for the hours between 3-5 when no one is online and no meetings get scheduled.
I think your statement that there's no impact of the eight-hour rule only really applies if you're working in production and just plow on computer tasks all day. Most higher-compensated jobs require significant coordination across functions, and the impact to scheduling has been severe.
@dd for the majority, nobody has been impacted by the 8 hour rule. If I have a doctor's appt, I do that on my WFH days. Also they are really just trying to crack down on the abusers that are doing less than 5 hours
It's only hard or difficult if you make it so
@de when the "8 hours a day" requirement was communicated, some people took it to mean what it said,and started showing up on site exactly 8 hours a day. If you take lunch,that means you're actually "working" 7 hours a day. Some leaders have noticed and there's talk of changing the expectation to 9 hours a day on site,to account for people taking a one hour lunch. It's d-mb, obviously, and I think it'll never get implemented company wide. Telling people they've expected to work more than 8 hours a day, or expecting exempt employees to clock in and out for lunch, risks WF running afoul of labor laws. They're already riding a fine line when it comes to treatment of exempt employees. But there is talk of it, anyways.
@ae wait what you mean that 8 hrs is not including lunch? Lmfao
Whatever the reason you left, its gotten worse since you departed.
If the reason you left was RTO, they're now monitoring hours in office, with zero flexibility (other than burning PTO) to accommodate doctor appointments or life emergencies. There's constant rumors of them implementing computer activity monitoring, or escalating from 3 to 4 days.
If you left because of working conditions, every LOB is under pressure to cut positions, its likely that what team you join will have lost people and not backfilled, with everyone that remains under increased pressure as a result. This seems to be universal across the bank, everyone is being asked to do more with less. Everyone I talk to is beyond burnt out and disillusioned
If its our archaic technology environment, you'll be happy to know that rather than actually fixing things, the bank is going all in on AI instead
Literally the only thing the bank has going for it is higher than average salaries
@aj the worse company is Fiserv! Sweatshop!!
Somewhere close to 8 hrs a day.. no idea what the variance is..but there is some. I wasn't originally doing the full 8 but was close and supposedly goodnthe past 8 weeks. It is first activity either badge or network, last activity badge or network.
I was displaced in late 2024, found another job, but came back to WF. You’ll find that no one pays as well as WF. Bank I went to was better in some ways but not in others. It’s an individual choice at the end of the day. I’m in Charlotte and live 15 minutes from CIC, so going there 3 days a week, and 4 if it comes to that, was better than going into uptown.
@aj I guess you e never worked anywhere else. No way is it the worst company. Not even close.
Wow someone wants to return? This is the worse company in the country. There isn’t enough money. FYI I had hr and leadership sign off on being 100 percent remote and did it two years prior to pandemic. Then when the pandemic ended they said I had to go into the office 50 miles each way anywhere from 1.5 hours each way minimum with traffic so I could call into meetings around the country. I would have been the only one in my group in that location. When I showed them the signed offer letter They said they don’t care it’s not relevant policy changed. Go ahead take their word for it lol.
And that 8hrs a day isnt gonna include lunch soon, at least in some LOBs.
does CLT mean Charlotte or Consumer Lending Technology? If the former than it will depend on LOB, if the latter than 3 days until they tell you otherwise
enterprise guidance is 3 days per week in office, 8 hours per day. pto in increments of 4 hours or more count as an in office day and 8 hours. LOBs have discretion to go higher than 3 days, commercial has been 4 days for a while and risk is moving to 4 days starting the last Monday of March.
@OP And you are assuming you have a choice to return. There are larger reductions than last year. They are wrapping up location strategy so what you should plan if you are able to take one of the positions of the people that use this board (layoffs.com get it) then you should plan that you will be in fact working 4 days per week and be “okay” with 5 days. If you left the bank because you got a remote position be prepared with some skepticism greeting you
If you think the RTO has gotten any better it has not and as others have said they are letting you know they have all the information they need in easy to read metrics.
The pay is great but don’t think you will skate by and not make the mandate as a minimum. Also people are getting docked on their performance. A couple misses in RTO and you will receive an IM. You will be encouraged to exceed the minimum requirement for doing your job. Plan on 4. 3 is the bare minimum
"As a dog returns to its vomit,
so fools repeat their folly.
Proverbs 26:11
Corp Risk is moving to 4 days/week in-office in March, plus 8 hours/day on the days you’re in-office.
3 days a week 8 hours in office. No coffee badging no half days in office.