There is no way Shell will pay $100k for the snake charmers. This is the best thing that can happen for US skill pool. Next they need to restrict L1 visas that these expats and LNNs take to come manage us.
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the jobs in india are replaced by ai at a record pace. may want to check the news and then reconsider your theory.
if it can be done remotely it can be automated now. jobs that just do paperwork and data with no human feedback are cooked
That just means the jobs will go directly to Indians in India, you block head.
@OP how will we staff the slurpee machines at our retail sites without superior imported talent?
They will just offshore more now rip
Shell is not an American company. How many H1B visas are they actually handing out? They can just send jobs to India or Poland.
The HIRE Act needs to be passed.
it’s wrong because the lack of talent in the US is fake news
it only costs 60k to hire an indian and it costs 180k to hire an american after factoring in benefits for the same role
what’s wrong is that H1B is abused to save money instead of obtain the global elites which is its stated purpose. whats wrong is you have a situation where companies are financially incentivized to not hire locally to save money. whats wrong is the 60k target was set decades ago and never updated for inflation or costs of living. if it was, then tj would work exactly how trump is going to make it work now. a fat fee to post the job, and a much larger salary which should be what you’d expect of supposed global top talent
these H1B reforms are completely in line with the original ideas and goals. i’m sorry that’s it’s been abused for decades which has lead to false impressions but that’s not really something that matters for americans prosperity.
@OP snake charmers really grandpa
So US with such a less population is not able to employed their locals and India with huge population is actually employing billions. Isn’t simply means they have less talent and companies don’t want them and hiring from offshore how its wrong .. they are paying more than locals to offshore people actually who are talent.
I applaud this move. But, I also think Shell will just hire in India over the US. It does not matter if Indians can so the job or not. Shell is used to mediocre work at best. It’s all about the money.
the vast majority of H1B usage is an excuse for india to take US jobs for 60k a year salary.
the H1Bs that move the needle on american innovation the cream of the crop and they will not be affected by a fee and salary minimum
there are entire companies built around gaming the system and it leads to lots of ghost jobs being posted because companies need to prove a job didn’t get filled before pushing for an H1B to take it.
companies know how to save money. don’t be concerned about random companies bottom line, that’s so silly. if they have to hire americans, even if they can only hire 1 for every 3 h1b after factoring in doubling to 120k and adding insurance, they will do it.
why should we care if 3 indian jobs go away to save one american one? no other country on earth is so friendly to outsourcing and offshoring their labor or for that matter opening its borders. your problem is that you don’t know how weird that is and have a bunch of excuses about expense and global non-competitiveness that don’t hold up when you look at how the system is really working
one I hear all of the time is “who will pick fruit”. the answer is robots. it’s already happened. why do left leaning people let their empathy trick them into serving the will of corporations? who don’t they updates on the times and check the technology and see if decades old arguments even hold up? do you realize that saying you want H1B to keep going as it is with no changes is identical to saying that you love scab labor? india is not sending its best by and large an america directly suffers for it in various ways
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The point that people are raising is the belief that there are actual US citizens competent and capable of fulfilling these jobs. Yes, if we don't bring them here or extend their stay here from student visa's they are supposed to go home and presumably work there or somewhere else. Thus, leaving the job to a US citizen. That US citizen is probably going to demand higher pay... And collectively the whole of the US benefits with higher pay because this is done not once but many many times.
So, yeah send them to work for our adversaries. Both we, they and the US in general will be better off.
You seem to forget that the best workers with the best ideas are mostly US people. That's why 5% of the worlds population drives 26-30% of the world's GDP ( the range depends on the source, I looked it up)
Businesses need the best people, ideas and skills wherever they come from. If the US throws up barriers, that talent will simply go elsewhere, likely to adversaries.
This tactic is extremely short-sighted but greatly appeals to a certain political sect. Physical and financial walls will absolutely harm businesses and this country, e.g. look at the current plight of farmers.
But go ahead - think reactionary, pull up the drawbridge and fill up the moat. “Back to the Past” is the new blockbuster film.
Sad. Know a lot of good people on visa. Hopefully they don't have to go back.
Outsourcing is temporary at best. AI can already do nearly any job that can be outsourced. Do you think YL won’t pursue that? Why do you think he made Robert (head of IT) directly report to him? Did you know that advanced computer vision alone got most of upstream data workers to permanent lose their jobs? That it began to happen years ago and no agents were required?
The trend now is entire jobs going away forever, which is far better than them going to India in my opinion. A country that leeches off of others by being cheap labor without providing value for everyone is so lame. Other developing countries make goods anyone can use. India delivers low to mid quality IT services that only benefit corporate bottom line and directly penalize Americans. Burn it down. Let a bot do it,
I propose to you that a tax on outsourcing may still arrive to prevent this, and that automating away as many jobs as possible is absolutely coming. Jobs that are simply a constant routine that you could draw with a stick diagram are cooked, that sounds like much of finance to me.
I’ll be offloading my shares before the unsupervised cowboys blow themselves up. This was the demise of BP, a failure to manage the septics.
@aj in addition to fewer foreign born workers, we also had powerful unions. Some Shell managers tried to move production engineering function to India. The Indians were first very happy to get real technical work. But when they were told that production engineering means 24h operations coverage, the Indian employee union told the American manager to go fk themselves and they had to renegotiate terms.
Even the union in India ensures good treatment of Indian employees whereas we have to literally sue the company to sue Fidelity so that the 401k fees don’t escalate faster than the market.
I guess it comes down to are you Pro-US or Pro-wealth redistribution to outside of the US trying to get "equity" not equality.
Even white collar jobs need pro-labor protection. There hasn't really been such a disparity between executive pay and median salary. And I am not saying the top is over compensated; I am saying the rank and file needs to have a pay increase to keep pace with the great increases for the CEO and SEG group. That rank and file increase will never happen without inflation, unless immigration is reduced. In 1971, 4% of US workers were foreign born, today about 16% of workers are foreign born... in 1971 workers had the best comparative income... Today CEOs get raises and rank and file get practically no raise to "fight inflation". You can also fight inflation by increasing the wage and lowering demand by having fewer buyers... wages go up, amount of material bought goes up individual unit cost goes down population stable.
You don’t know that. Shell managers are stupid enough to pay the $100k and pretend if the person moves back to India after a few years training in the US, it is still a bargain.
YL hates how much Americans are being paid - not realising every oil and gas company bigger than this one has a lot more Americans.
They might move the entire job to India instead of hiring the Indian in Houston. This is already happening in IT and Finance.
@ad sure bro. You’ve not had to wake up for a 6 am call with someone who is barely functional in English with a picture of man with a literal snake behind them. And then a couple years later, they literally come to Woodcreek and apply for base country change.
“…snake charmers..”?
Comments can be made about people being unqualified, inappropriate, etc. for jobs but why use disparaging stereotype descriptions of a country population?
This typlifies the theory of trickle-down crassness at work in the US. Acting with class is becoming a lost attribute.
i agree. i hope offshoring tax is next. i think companies should have to pay a big fat fee for hiring what is in their own words “exceptional talent that can’t be found domestically”, whether it’s remote or via immigration.
the same leaders telling us to work in the office more and more and are plenty content to let people in india work on wells in the gulf of mexico and data from europe. if that’s not remote work, what is
There's so much more offshoring than H1bs happening. This is a distraction.
this is what i voted for
no posting fake job listings that never even interview anyone so you can hire a foreigner on the cheap
it’s not right and never was. go work in your own country. every other country in shell has laws protecting its citizens from this and they usually involve preferential hiring. here it’s the opposite because it’s saves billionaires a buck and the lefties pretend it’s racist to notice.