What's the message out there lately around the company? The days of covering for each other and being accommodating with schedules over? Just genuinely curious if I'm starting a family at the wrong time. Historically it's seemed like this company was very supportive of new parents and now I don't see that. The initial family leave offered is great and all but that doesn't matter to be honest. I'd rather have no family leave time and take PTO, then have more scheduling flexibility over the course of their childhood to attend appointments, school functions, meetings, etc. It seems silly to take an hour of PTO every couple weeks or so to handle a responsibility when I could cover that time earlier or later that day. And for context, I'm not lazy, I work hard, and do my job.
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Having children clashes with those people’s aspirations for the world.
yeah exactly, so sick of the people whining day in and day out about Indians and DEI on here- just work somewhere else then
Why don’t people find a job that gives them what they want? It really is that simple regardless of what side of this fence you’re on.
It’s comedy gold to me to see people complain here about each other or how much of a travesty it is that Wells isn’t a super altruistic environment catering to their every need or why it’s not a Soviet era eastern bloc grey concrete building offering one serving of gruel a day. All that energy wasted and instead you could find the type of employment you actually want.
@ga
Quit playing a victim. Nobody forced you to apply at Wells Fargo. Nobody is forcing you to stay at Wells Fargo. Just like nobody was forced to have children.
No, not 'ea'
it's been tough for working parents forever, and it's just gotten harder and harder. not unique to WF.
@ea monitoring and judging what other people are doing with their time in office, and especially comparing yourself as superior "I cound run circles around these people" is an ugly look. You'll be more effective getting your point across without the judginess.
The people on their phones are just trying to get through their day, playing by the rules the bosses established. If you want to get mad at someone, why are you getting mad at people who are all in the same boat with you, instead of the people in charge who decided to go all in on monitoring something that does not matter?
The people at the top have gotten so effective at dividing us and making us fight each other. Don't play into it
@a5
I think what's so frustrating about this is I see people on their cell phones all day long, but they're in the office, so it doesn't matter, right? I can run circles around these people. But something for my child that takes me away for an hour, nope, can't have that. But keep watching that show on your phone as long as you're at your desk
I've been with Wells 18 years. I have kids with wide age gaps. Oldest is married with her own family and the youngest is in elementary school. In the early days of my career, work life balance was real. I never missed anything important and I was encouraged to balance my time. Today, that is all gone. It's difficult and my only saving grace is being exempt so I can get to work when I get to work. I can't imagine being held to a schedule. I stay for my 8 hours and my school aged kid is home alone until dinner time. I am a single parent with absolutely no help. I've missed a lot of awards and special moments. It's not an ideal time. I hope it gets better.
@bz that's a little condescending and elitist just because you were lucky enough to WFH full time. Maybe consider yourself lucky than the rule of law.
Regardless it's not that difficult to figure out what needs to be done as a parent. You WFH people are completely helpless it seems when you lose that privilege.
There were a lot of folks that had to work in the office full time and got paid very well. Like WFA.
@bp
I just picture the type of developmentally stunted, insecure person who actually uses a word like 'bootlicker' and a giant smile crosses my face as I bust out laughing.
Your dad was a failure; you don't have to carry his load.
@cb does everyone have to follow your playbook? Or do you think it would be nice to a have a different, supported by your employer, option. The option that would benefit everyone, not take away and limit people? Just sayin… your way to go is not everyone’s way to go.. I am sure a single parent will conquer as well
I’ve more than doubled my income in the last few years since my wife stayed home because of the flexibility offered to me by her staying at home. We don’t accept the bare minimum and live a pretty good life. I’m telling you guys, one income is seriously the way to go.
@c7 I earned my high salary because my employer allowed flexibility while I had kids. The employer benefited from my working early mornings and late nights and my caring about what I did. The only reason they are taking away flexibility is because they no longer need us. Get your head out of your a-s.
It's shocking just how many people actually believe that HY does these things because they care about our production in any way. They don't. They've downsized 110,000 domestic roles. Those people will never be in the office again, for any number of hours, and Shart constantly brags about how great that is. You think that clown cares about collaboration or production? All he cares about is eliminating as much of the domestic workforce as he possibly can. That's it, nothing else matters in his mind.
Walmart is always hiring and they are known to be flexible with scheduling for their employees. Of course you'll have to give up your big salary, come in 5 days a week, and actually do real work all day but, hey, flexibility amiright?
@bm
The twisted mentality to think that the most natural thing in the world - to have offsprings - is a “choice”, and is diminished to the level of poor judgment that needs to be punished. Not having children can be a choice. Having children is the norm. No one is asking you to pay for women having children. All we are asking for is do not rob us by skyrocketing medical bills, unreasonable childcare costs, and not giving us an option to work. Having 16 weeks off to care for a newborn is a bare minimum. Taking away working moms’ flexibility should worry YOU because the squeezing will come after you too, in another form. Every time I read these posts, I am shocked how people continue to accept less and less and justify it by saying “be lucky you have a job”.
Believe me, most working moms complete more in a day than all you childless people do in a week. Because they know there will be emergencies they will need to step away for and are prepared for those. They work harder because there is constant watching and judging from people like you. Most working moms I know have built successful careers while raising their kids BECAUSE they had flexibility. Once you lose the flexibility, you can no longer succeed at work or home.
And don’t get me started on wives staying home.. One income families barely survive, they accept the bare minimum, unless your spouse has reached a good salary level, which comes much later in life, way after you buy your first home and have your first child.
Amen to this. I have four kids and it’s my job to pay for them, not your job to subsidize me. I already get enough subsidies as it is with tax credits. You shouldn’t have to pay for me to get 16 free weeks of pay on top of that.
@by before COVID I had a signed full time telecommute agreement, as did thousands of others. Its was a pretty common arrangement for people mid -career and higher at Wells. Even if you didn't, no one really thought twice about flexing to work from home if they needed to, and managers could accommodate people's needs using their own discretion, without interference from monitoring systems with zero flexibility.
This might not have been your experience, there's a pretty big gap between career professionals and people working lower level production type roles answering phones, processing transactions, producing reporting, or doing customer service. But don't assume you speak for everyone when you assert workers had fixed schedules pre-COVID.
A big part of the problem here is the c-suite wanting to try to manage mid-career professionals like they're production staff making $65k a year.
It's better now than when it was pre COVID. Most of us were 5 days from 7:30-5:30. Now only 3 days and 8 hours.
The daycare expenses is what really hurts but that's not exclusive to Wells.
We all forgot what it was like to work around those parameters. Now, most folks expect companies to work around us but that's just not going to happen.
The message for parents is the same as it is for non-parents: Charlie hates you and wants you to quit. Your individual needs for accomodation do not matter, they're an annoyance to the c-suite when they even think about them at all.
Unfortunately the mechanisms that they've chosen to employ to enforce their vision are technology based, meaning there is absolutely zero room for nuance or flexibility. You can't cheat the 3 days/8 hours rule, it doesn't matter how much you contribute otherwise if you're not also hitting those metrics, and individual managers have no room for interpretation.
From experience at other orgs, also, leaders are loathe to give up monitoring like this once its been established and they're gone all in on justifying the need for it. Inertia favors just keeping the system in place once its been built, unwinding things would require admitting they were wrong and backing down, and does Charlie strike you as someone capable of humility like that? The dude is still going on finance channels to get fluffed for his business genius 6 years into a mass layoff program,even with the stock market starting to send signals even it thinks he's gone overboard.
Things aren't going to change until Charlie is gone, which isn't going to happen any time soon. Even then, damage like this takes years to unwind, if it even can be.
The play right now, IMO, is to ride it out until the job market improves or you happen to catch a package. If you have pressing family concerns that won't let you wait, then you might need to compromise and take something less than ideal elsewhere. But I'd stop waiting for things to get better here.
How do you manage a job and all that heavy-duty, double-fisted bootlicking that you are so consumed with?
Thank the lord that senior "leadership" has a lapdog like you to meekly bark in support of their interests...
Bootlicker, bootlicker. It's simple once you can clear your mind from the polish fumes.
If I had a landscaper and I was reasonably happy with their work, I'm certain we could come to some arrangements that work well for both sides.
Really advanced thinking there. No wonder the entire concept eluded you.
Everyone needs to remember. Don’t spend like you need two incomes. It is the desire and entitlement to think that you can’t do without and live on one income. If you love your children you will plan for your family including care. Companies went way over board. WF provides more than enough PTO. Use that for DR school sick child or any other time off. They don’t call it vacation time it is “personal” time and they gave more to allow for family matters.
No where did any of us no children families say oh please have kids and let us pay for them.
Find another company. There are much better ones out there. You can still find flexibility just not at WF.
It is your JOB. Not your day care.
If you can't handle a job and a kid, stay home.
Don’t sacrifice having a family for WF. NOT worth it! The sadists that run this place are getting a thrill out of putting the squeeze on moms with young children. Don’t let them get away with it.
In 2017 when no one cared about outcomes the company was pretty obsessed with optics and really encouraged everyone to take the full 16 weeks full pay. Was pretty wild. They’re back to caring about business results at this point so you’ll definitely once again be expected to get outcomes unfortunately. Luckily for me I have a stay at home spouse for this very reason. I anticipated this at the beginning of my career and thus wanted to setup my life this way. By the grace of God it has come to fruition.
Dual income households have ruined society. The key is just to have one good income and have the other spouse manage the household and family.
Unless you’re hourly, you have to take PTO in four hour increments. And it’s not unlimited. So with having to have 8 hours in the office, it’s difficult. Not impossible. Better if your spouse has some flexibility.
Start your family anyway. F* WF and look for a company that will value you and your talent
You're asking for flexibility in to not do what your paid to do? Do you provide that flexibility to your landscaper if they dont show? Or do you find one that will do the job your paying them for?
Wells Fargo doesn’t want us working moms
Ask your Congressional representative. It all starts with why we are one of the few countries without paid parental leave (and health care). There's no mandatory sick pay required. Other than tax credits, this country does nothing to support families. And we all just accept that's how it has to be.
Sorry those days are gone for many. Unless you get a supportive manager who can stand up and defend (most have very low internal locus of control) or you are an “AI expert”
This whole country, let alone this business, tries to make it as difficult as possible to raise children once you have them. Until they're born, they're sacred, must be protected at all costs, once they're born, it's 100% on you to just figure it out without help of any kind.
This place used to have the flexibility to accommodate parental needs, now it'll punish you for it.