If professional employees are going to be treated like children and have every second with fingers on keyboard and/or within the walls of the designated workplace tracked and reported, and those things will be used against them (and they will, even beyond the day/hour requirements, don't think they won't), they should at least be able to see their own swipe in/out and network on/off time (both in the office and remotely). "We know something you don't know" is a terrible practice.
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Non-exempt employees have actual access to the records that show how long they have worked so can adjust accordingly. Exempt employees are just playing a huge guessing game as to when we show as starting and finishing the work day in office. It would be nice to see the actual results and know when the clock “starts”. Is it when we badge in, log into a desk? What if we have problems finding a free desk or have problems logging in from the office? I have had problems with different stations not working and need to move to other stations. This is a frequent problem since others change things at stations.
Can’t wait until somebody makes an AI-powered keyboard mouse interface that can intelligently “do work”. Almost like a highly advanced mouse jiggler.
These execs trying to micromanage us to the keystroke deserve the worst life has to offer. Bunch of sad MFs.
@b3 I’ve been doing the exact same time, but not even staying 15 minutes. It’s fun to watch people on this board expose themselves as “experts” in the supposed surveillance technology. If you got a PIP for 8 hours your coworkers ratted your out - likely because you’re insufferable. Take a hint
@ad I’m not your Pal, Buddy.
Riddle me this Champ, I’m not doubting you got PIP’d and the onus was put on IOE, but show me the money!? I have been doing something exceptionally shady for over 2 years. Yes, you read that correctly, 2 years of tops 15 mins. Why haven’t I been busted yet?
Let’s be clear, I SHOULD BE BUSTED. I should be in trouble. I should not be doing this. I EXPECT to be caught. But yet here I am, waiting for my talk.
Until I’m handled this is all bs and bluster. I expect they have worked all of this out in Labs and Testing on population pools but something tells me they still aren’t ready and it will take them time to sort this out.
If you have a meeting in a conference room, you should have the event on your calendar. They have access to meeting information and it will not be counted against you.
If you make fake meetings in Teams with other coworkers to slack off for free time, they can detect whether or not there is any activity in those online meetings. Too many of them may catch their eye.
I asked my boss this one time and his response was, you should know if you came in 3 days or not. Now, it will be you should know if you worked 8 hours or not. Didn't really have a response to that because he's right.
Anyway, they are really just trying to hammer the egregious situations or under 4 hours.
Yeah if they start tracking individual account activity that is going to lead to a range of issues based on roles.
Would also like to know that the greater of badging or network activity is the metric. Do a decent amount of meetings in conference rooms so there's plenty of times my pc goes into sleep mode. Do I now get dinged?
Based on simplicity and preventing alot of errors hopefully they take the greater of either metric.
@ah this is true. I don’t know why people on this board. Can’t do a simple Internet search or ask AI what the law is.
Employers can set office hour requirements for exempt employees. They can tell you that you must be in the office 8 hours a day. What they cannot do is dock your pay for not being in office those 8 hours. But they can fire you for not meeting their expectations.
Wells Fargo could demand all exempt employees work 12 hour days five days in office a week and there is nothing illegal.
All being exempt does is require a salary at a minimum level, be of specific duties to classify as exempt and no docking if under 40 hours.
There isn’t some magic protections being exempt. It is a way to get more hours out of people without paying overtime.
Back in 2007, my whole team at Wachovia was reclassified as exempt to save on overtime pay. They gave us a new job title, stripped OT and put us in the bonus pool. First time I ever made less money year over year because we all were constantly putting in 15+ hours of OT a week and that was taken away.
if I was coming in less than 4 hours per day on average I'd worry, over that you are probably fine for now. and you shouldn't need to look at the data, pretty easy to know how many hours your in the office each day. now if the reporting is wrong and I get written up for something I can prove otherwise there is a problem.
@ab leaders can make your life he-l by addressing you in one on ones and putting you on pips
I'll be honest, I can live with the badge in/out tracking - not happily, given i was hired as a 100% telecommute employee years before the pandemic, but I'm too locked in by salary and PTO and the poor job market to give Shart the attrition he's after. But if they're seriously going to the level of keyboard input and mouse movement tracking,for white-collar/non data entry level employees, I'm out. My day to day tasks are way too nebulous for me to meet a metric like that without setting myself up for a heart attack
@a9 hey pal sorry to break it to ya, but I was doing 3 hours a day in the office and got put on pip last. There is very much a report coming out with hours in it once every 6 weeks now .
The reason they don’t give us access to this stuff is probably because they’re worried it would enable more people to learn how to game it through trial and error. They want people to be erring on the side of caution, rather than figure out the exact bare minimum they need to show up as in compliance in whatever reporting. It’s super sh*tty but it is what it is. Welcome to modern corporate America.
@a6
Don’t forget this is not coming from HR.
LOBs can intimidate all they want, HR has the final say to firing or layoffs.
HR never sent this memo because they know it would not hold in court. Per federal law, you can not set a minimum hour for exempt employees.
All LOBs head are doing is intimidation based on poor job market.
They can’t do sht.
Wait so it sounded like Bridget is saying just do your 8 hours of work a day - we don’t care where you are. Come in 3 days a week.
So all good? Are people misinterpreting this en masse?
Take off the tinfoil hat they aren’t logging all of that
This is to get rid of people who took advantage of the system, not to get rid of the actual workers who work most of a full day. That being said, it puts a burden on people who have kids.
@a5 they won’t care if you work 60 hours a week. It’ll make zero difference on your review
@a1 I am 100% sure the legal team have vetted this policy and the company has CYA in place. They want attrition or people fired without having to pay severance.
Thanks to all the coffee badging and people not doing anything
@a1 I'm not even talking about meeting minimums. But if that data is going to be used as a negative, then employees should also be able to point to it for evidencing going above and beyond, if they are. But even beyond that, it's just data and should not be secret if it's being used for any purpose.
To be honest, they (employees) should also be able to see some kind of general peer metrics as well. Not individual or even small team data, but a bit of transparency to their larger group averages or median. ...and to be clear, I personally don't think any of this should be happening for people with an appropriate or large workload who do good work. But if data is being used, employees should have access to their own and some benchmarks.
And Bridget’s email was amusing. Flexible hybrid. Lol. The only flex is 3 days in office.
And bow are things measured? An email might take 2 seconds or it might take 20 minutes.
And now we have to worry about being clock punchers while being treated as exempt employees. Does my 8 hours start with my first meeting at 6:30 or 7? So now I have to be in the office or show up on some stupid list bc I spend an hour at home and only 6-7 in the office?
Wtd they gonna do for people who work odd shifts or have to do release or resiliency testing on weekends.
And we have a horrible track record with many things.
This will be yet another cluster f@@k
Never faced this level of horse sh@t in my career.
Again. Thanks coffee badgers. Leadership started getting this reporting and was shocked at how many employees were in the office three hours or less. And your party is over.
Agree!!! I went to grab lunch at Wendy's today, but took me like 25 mins. I started to panic because it was taking too long. 🤦♀️ We should be able to have access to our login and badge in hours. This does feel like we are back in elementary school. 🚩
don't worry, you can have your employment attorney request the information when you sue for wrongful termination as a result of only showing up to the office 7.5 hrs per day.