How do you settle down in this environment? How do you buy a house, have kids, make any kind of long term plan when your job could disappear next month? Endless layoffs mean endless uncertainty. And endless uncertainty means you can't build a life. Working at Dell offered a certain security for many of us that the new generations don't have.
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@wp Tech savvy is such an ambiguous term. There’s a big difference in being tech savvy that you can create a TikTok video with you superimposed and showing your reaction to another video and tech savvy in knowing how to debug a mass storage system by downloading files from particular components and analyzing them.
Back in the late 90s I was being interviewed for a network management position. The HR screener bragged that he knew all about the Internet because he’d had an AOL account for two years.
I honestly didn’t know if he were joking or not.
@as That's Bullsh-t
I don't feel bad for them. The ones I know are smart and more tech savvy than those before them. Every generation faces challenges and those who are worthy figure out how to work through them and succeed. Life su-ks ; )
@st It's not that Gen Z is d-mb, because they aren't. They are technically savvy and SHOULD be considering they grew up with technology at their fingertips. It's their attitude and work ethic that gets them fired, or not hired. It's their way of thinking that clashes with the people who, you know... run the companies they apply to.
It's fantastic to have boundaries but in the real workforce world? Companies dgaf about what YOU think because there WILL be someone else who is fine with it.
With google and chatGPT, 80 year olds can find things in 40 seconds or less these days. That's not exactly impressive.
Pensions disappeared for the Millennial Generation, not Gen z lol. Pensions were already long gone by the time the youngest Gen Z was even born...
Compacts were dismantled way before gen z existed - wtf are you talking about??? Gen z only knows of digital everything these days.
Job security hasn't been a thing for 30 years at minimum...
Never in the existence of college degrees has a degree EVER "guarenteed" you anything lmfao.
Sorry but, Gen Z is the opposite of "polite."
@kk That's right, enter Generation Z, armed with digital fluency and a frankly offensive ability to research anything in forty seconds. They watched the old compact be methodically dismantled — pensions evaporated, job security evaporated, the degree that was supposed to guarantee everything guaranteed mainly debt — and yet somehow they are the ones accused of lacking commitment. They respond by drawing boundaries, declining with immaculate politeness to sacrifice their mental health on the altar of someone else's quarterly targets. Boomers call this laziness. The more forensically accurate term is pattern recognition.
The great irony, of course, is that both generations are behaving with perfect internal logic responding rationally to entirely different incentive structures, then furiously blaming each other for the difference.
Somewhere right now, a sixty-year-old and a twenty-five-year-old are sitting in a meeting, each privately convinced the other has profoundly misunderstood the assignment.
They will, nevertheless, get the thing done.
Which is perhaps the most human outcome imaginable.
@cg sure you are
@qy At least they won't be as radicalized as a California communist libtard.
Gen-Z is going to be more radicalized than even the most racist southern boomer after a few more years of this.
They get their degrees and can’t find a job in their field, because they only hire cheap foreigners now.
So eventually they give up and apply for McDonalds…and find they can’t get a job THERE because they only hire cheap foreigners now.
When it happens, it’s going to be fast and furious.
lol I have NO sympathy for that entitled, participation trophy generation.
@be At least we got to see all the cool bands live.
Does anyone seriously think the GenXer’s work lives were beds or roses?
Economic cycles are part of reality. I got my first real out of college job in 1999. Then the dot com crash cost a lot of jobs and much of my meager savings. Then 9/11 happened. True the nation was drawn together somewhat by the attacks by our mourning and anger at a treacherous enemy. Not as serious but still, not making life easier, many people lost their jobs. My cousin lost hers when her small employer was literally was wiped out. Fortunately she worked in a branch office in mid-town.
Subprime mortgages in 2008 caused a major recession and then there was Covid…
We’ll have more problems in the future but we’ll have good economic times.
So let’s not envy the success of our boomer colleagues nor mourn the future of our Millenial and GenZ colleagues. We’ll get through this.
@cg It varies significantly from team to team. The 3 gen z ppl on my team combined don't even perform 3/4 as well as the worst boomer on the team and the xennials are the superstars.
Gen Z here. I make more money than anyone I know my age, it’s a great start to a career and it’ll be a good stepping stone for any career in tech. Acting like it’s a death sentence is hilarious.
The boomers who sit around moaning on these forums instead of performing are a great motivator and means I’m moving quickly up the ladder.
I don't, I worked hard my whole life.
@be And Gen X saw the computer assembly jobs along 128 evaporate in favor of Chinese and Korean companies.
@az
If you think Boomers had it easy think about this.
Mandatory draft, fighting in Vietnam and several other skirmishes
Constant threat of nuclear war, MAD was an actual foreign policy. Jobs ki-led off by an oil boycott, and then a few years later another one.
Jobs sent over seas after you trained your foreign replacement. Whole industries disappeared (In Massachusetts alone - textile/garment workers, Shoe factories, machine tools, fine optics, gold and silver refining.)
Our generation (millennials) aren’t the first with problems and we won’t be the last. But we will get through it.
@a6 And what is your statistical proof of that? They were only remote for less than a year. If your HS kids can’t read, add or spell that’s on you. Not the schools. And if it’s your grandchildren. Still on you, you raised their parent.
Boomers didn't know sh1t about their future. They rode it out for years and they got to a point where, if for instance they had a house, it was worth a lot of money. Try to sell that house to downsize and they found that that the math may not work. It depends on where you live. If you are in your 20s, 30s or 40s, the economics of it all may not give you the start the boomers had. Companies are trying to get rid of people or replace them with AI. Save as much as you can and see how it goes. Do I need that expensive car? Can I afford a house based on my current income? Do I have enough in savings to survive being out of work for two years or more? What happens if AI takes my job and I need to take a job that doesn't pay as well?
Mainstream jobs are now acting like gig jobs. Entry level jobs are like driving for Uber, Lyft etc. Entry level jobs were never meant to be permanent. But, prices have gone up so much in the last few decades that you can no longer have the traditional lifestyle of home, kids etc even as you move up through the ranks. I've talked to a few 20 somethings and they state that they aren't having kids. Young people need to take a serious look at their future and figure out how they want to live. Inflation has ki-led it for everyone but the top earners.
Boomers benefitted from having good culture and economy; yet lack the insight that this is what they produced. Nice job!
It's as easy as DON'T WORK FOR DELL.
I agree. They don’t even know how useless they are it’s sad. And good luck getting anyone to think critically. This country is doomed.
@OP I don't! The younger generations coming out of high school today are d-mb as rocks. They basically played video games all through the COVID years. They can't read. They can't write. They can't spell. They can't add 2+7 in their head. They are literally ill-prepared to go out into the world.