My group wasn't told this, who said this? I have most my calls from 6am to 10am with people in India. Do they expect me to get up at 4am to get to the office by 6am to take these calls? It's not going to happen, and i don't like threats. A word of warning to management. You track this stuff, you now have discoverable data that any outside law firm can get a court request for.. They will love to slice and dice that data to see different classes of workers doing different hours. Law firms love suing big banks for stuff like this, and with data like this, its a gold mine.
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Keep complaining and get fired, or show yourself out....wait, other places will require the same thing, then you're totally sc--wed. But hey keyboard warriors, keep pounding and screaming into the vacuum because no one cares.
I’m in tech under MB and was notified of full in office days last week.
@gf it’s only for Risk. DF is wanting to reduce headcount now that consent order is closed.
What a bunch of toddlers 🤣🤣🤣. I want my way or I will throw myself in the floor and scream and cry.
Grow up 🤣
Looks like 8 is great lives on, hope some executive go to jail this go around
If I have to stay in the office for 8 hours I’ll be watching Netflix on my phone for the last 4 hours.
@bp So when TK goes on a boondoggle tour does that count as in the office? How does she make up for luxuriating in BC for 24 hours in a week vs being in an office working? Does she even work when she is in or just does stand up comedy.
@gt Force 8 hours in your day? Are you smoking crack? We are paid for a minimum 40 hours per week( salary) , where is the force in that slacker?
@OP Go ahead and sue… show us how it’s done. Hmmmm? Didn’t think so.
Say what you will about Charlie and Bridget but I don't think they're gonna go down that fraud route of "Going for GR8". Asset cap lifted they're gonna go buy growth.
We also divested ourselves of a variety of things so there's even less incentive the "cross sell" than before and will stick to bread and butter cross sell stuff.
I work with India and often take early morning meetings and now just cancelled any meeting before 8:30 am.
I need to commute to office during those hours so I can get my 8 hrs in.
What if you never get lunch due to meetings?
Is that 7 hrs in office ?
op, they do expect you to get to the office by 6a for these calls. They can say your schedule is 6a-2p and must be in office. not great, but they can. they have all the power.
If they force 8 hours in your day, then take your calls driving to work.
This whole thing is a troll. The same person keeps responding to all the threads. Nobody I’ve spoken to has heard of this business or tech.
@bp - I have seen this dashboard . It’s unfortunately true.
Were you laid off or something and now trying to take it out on random strangers. If so, that’s sociopathic behavior. Get some help friend. Looking forward to the 8 hour tracking you spend all weekend fantasizing about.
I don’t remember anybody denying that there was an in office tracking report. And it wasn’t some closely guarded secret.
You should log off and enjoy the rest of your weekend and stop monitoring this board
Not trolling. I’ve seen it.
Same thing happened when they first developed the current in-office attendance reporting. It took several months between when the first reports were shown at top levels (like CEO + 2) and when the reporting trickled down. And the denials of the reality were equally vehement.
This is just total troll bullsh-t. Oh we have a report oh no wait we don’t have a report. We’re just working out the kinks.. oh we’re gonna use bad data, but not all buildings have badge and badge out. I’m pretty sure most of the stuff is the work of a single person trolling.
Nobody told me either so I won’t
I retired rather than work India hours. WF is a real sh-tshow.
@bp "There is now time of day entry/exit tracking being used to calculate hours in office." And offices where you don't badge out they calculate this how?
they are tracking badges and connections to network. entry is earliest of either and exit is latest of either.
report states limitations such as working off mobile device while in the office and a couple of other things. That's why they're not publishing it widely yet... as they work these limitations out. Just as it was when attendance reporting was initially developed
@OP+1k65v2bkx: Your frustration with the 8-hour RTO mandate is spot-on—expecting 4am office arrivals for India calls is absurd and screams mismanagement. The badge-tracking data, as you said, is a legal landmine; law firms could feast on it for discrimination suits (e.g., targeting women or over-40s, per @av
). Morale’s in the gutter—Glassdoor’s 3.7/5 culture score and 2025 Worker Stress Survey confirm it. @bm ’s right: this isn’t about coffee badging but execs chasing stock prices while alienating talent. Wells Fargo’s solid on paper (A+ Fitch rating, 5-star BauerFinancial, >10% CET1 ratio), but its toxic culture—echoing Tolstedt/Stumpf days—drives churn.
To show regulators and outsiders how bad it is: Log RTO impacts anonymously (e.g., Google Forms) and tip CFPB (consumerfinance.gov/complaint).
Flood Wells’ engagement surveys with blunt feedback—leak results to media.
Post on X (#WellsFargoRTO) or Glassdoor to amplify.
Collective action is key—solo moves risk retaliation. @aa+1k66fwnj9, keep planning that exit; this bank’s stable but broken. #RTO #Morale #Banking
@bb "There is now time of day entry/exit tracking being used to calculate hours in office." And offices where you don't badge out they calculate this how?
@b6 Ohhh so edgy! Can I taste your boots?
@aj The current state of things has very little to do with coffee badging. It has everything to do with commercial real estate leases, short term stock prices, and shareholder gains.
The HY jackboots stuck in old ways of thinking and justifying too many layers of management. The people two levels above the trenches have no clue what we do or how we do it, what it takes to get it done etc. Nor do they care. They don't need to know every little detail but they sure as heck should know if what they ask is reasonable or not and if they are setting their people up to fail.
Many people across WF worked remotely for years prior to covid and got more work done with an actual work life balance. The bank could save money on renting space for those that worked remote. And those that worked remote were generally happy and empowered. Brass used to listen to grunts in the trenches who then wanted to keep their jobs. It used to be the goal to work hard while working smart. Now there is a culture of fear with endless head games and favoritism.
The Citibank and JP Morgan flunkies that were golf buddies with "CEO Um, um, ah, er, duh, um ah" quickly put an end to that way of working. I pause to take a sip of my coffee.
Keep on thinking this is on the workers. It's not. Morale and productivity are at an all time low. Everyone wonders when their ticket will be punched and nobody with any sense sees this place as being solvent 5 years from now.
@a6 Mmmnnn your boots are sooo yummy!
@as "No director I know at wells can see peoples time."
When in-office started getting tracked no director level could see it either. it started at OC, OC+1 then rolled out/down gradually.
There is now time of day entry/exit tracking being used to calculate hours in office.
Only certain org levels are seeing it now. I've seen the report for my boss's org.
It's real and it's coming for all of us.
I only come to this site for the outrage from a finite sized group of people. The travesty of being required to work a normal shift like literally billions of people across the globe. Go ahead and start that lawsuits for scab cu-ts over 40. Keyboard warriors UNITE!!!!
Neither coffee badging nor noncompliance is relevant in the decision making. Oh sure, they might say it is, but they are habitual liars. The reality is that voluntary attrition is down, and the CEO himself has stated publicly that "attrition is our friend". They want people gone, without paying severance of possible. Not in the office, GONE. Turning the RTO sc--ws will increase attrition. That's why they did it. Nothing else.
I'm in a rather large group and we weren't told this. People are just putting bugs in peoples ears to get people to be scared and show up. No director I know at wells can see peoples time.
@aj you’re a corporate shill
So being asked to work in the office for 8 hours , 3 days a week is equal to a fake account fraud scandal? GTFO
If everyone had just come in as asked and not tried to coffee badge and all the other BS, we would be dealing with this escalation of expectations.
You ain’t doing anything except what they tell you and then thump your chest online 🤣🤣🤣
@a6 its not 1985 anymore, people don't have to go to a tiny cube with their boss peering over their shoulder to actually work. Companies that value suspicion over integrity will never inspire people to care about their workplace.
If im forced to sit in the office 8hr per day ill spend 4hr in the office writing regulators and politicans about illegal ativities I witness around here. I'll also enjoy writing on forums about WF stealing from customers and the criminal activity the executive mgmt team is engaged it. Anger × 1000 hrs a yr = mass impact.