Why even ask this question and upvote it, what did you think they’d say, 4 hours? The real question was are they tracking hours in order for it to count as an office day.
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@av Exactly and come november or december all of a sudden they’ll make the change to only X amount of hours count and will back date it to the beginning of the year and fu-k everyone over. Each change to RTO just makes them look worse.
All I know is I'm not spending a full 8 hours at any kind of offsite like "Innovation Week" because it's not counting towards RTO days, nor have they provided staff or managers the ability to document or notate it as such. They can enjoy their events that 0 people go to now.
@ap as far as I am concerned there is no emergency until I am connected to IP.
Ask for a second laptop and have it online in the office somewhere and use vdi to hop in.
@av have you checked the in office adherence FAQ, it’s all there. Was updated an hour ago. There is no set number of hours, any amount of time worked in office counts, if you work from home and then part of day in office it still counts. Expectation is still 8 hours and managers are expected to track or enforce.
Your lack of understanding on anything beyond advanced bootlicking techniques is unsurprising, but I'm afraid you'll have to gain competence by yourself.
No one, here or elsewhere, is going to spoon-feed you.
@aq there's nothing to support any logic with any of it BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN NO FORMAL DIRECTION. But at some point this has to come down to some common fu--ing sense. Jesus.
It's all hearsay. But an upper told us in an all hands it's 6 hours. Others have said it's 4. There is nothing in writing and they're being dodgy about it because they're probably working with legal on it.
The only way to give yourself a raise in this environment is to work less for the same salary unfortunately. No point in doing anything above that, you are just lowering your comp at that point
@ak obviously you don’t understand because that is incorrect.
@ab Actually I work much longer as remote and no lunch plus doing 3 people’s job.
@ak from what you understand based on what? There is nothing to support your logic at all.
They're being cagey because they know trying to enforce a number of hours would run into all sorts of problems with laws related to salaried employees and situations where there are network issues and others.
Like at my hub recently the internet was down for about 20 minutes, did that mean everyone has to stay 20 minutes longer? If not, are they going to have to fix everyone's reporting dashboard? What if I arrive at the office but there is a work emergency and I hop into a conference room for 15 minutes and didn't get to turn on and connect my laptop until after?
They don't want to have a bunch of people who have to be dedicated to fixing the reporting when these sorts of things happen so they're being deliberately vague.
@ae we ARE working 8 hours a day. It's just sometimes I HAVE to use some of this hours AT NIGHT at home. I am not commuting to the office TWICE in one day dipsh-t
@ak this isn't what I've understood at all. And if this is what they're going to implement they're going to find they don't have any developers to install the code for all the products they want to launch or customer facing enhancements they want in.
Developers aren't allowed to install code during the day. It's gotta be done after core working hours. If they log on that evening from home it negates their entire in-office day? I think the fu-k not.
So from what I understand, if you work any part of a day at home, that day does not count as an in office day. Even if you worked some amount of time in the office. Which is going to su-k for a lot of people.
@ae It’s not about the 8 hours. It has to do with the “system” that’s been devised. Imagine a developer that need to deploy code after hours and that takes 2 hours for an upgrade. If they work 6 hours in the office, will that day count or not. Imagine a 4/4 split next. Are they supposed to be in the office to do that deployment after hours?
It’s still 8 hours. That still went in for their collaboration or culture or whatever. But where’s the line before they get sc--wed?
@ae It is pretty easy to understand. People are looking for ways to have flexibility/perks in an environment with rules that are ever-changing and /or translated differently by various leaders in their orgs. They want to ensure the rules are crystal clear so that they don't lose the other perks, like a bonus at the end of the year, which is already being tapped into for bogus reasons. I don't think anyone has said they don't expect to work 8 hours; they just want to make sure everyone is on the same page, playing by the same rules. What I don't understand is why asking or even demanding clarity is a bad thing...? It seems like a bunch of excuses from people not being affected, and that is a hard pill for people just trying to do great work, get fairly compensated and be respected as a human.
@ae what other job asks me to work before work hours begin, then commute an hour, then continue?
Please, by all means, explain that one.
@ae salaried employees have a lot of flexibility and we're now being treated like hourly employees. The difference in my day to day contributions have absolutely nothing to do with the amount of hours my a-s is in a desk in the office. They never have. If they were my entire BL would have ceased to function many years ago while I was remote.
I don’t understand what people don’t understand that you are required to work a full eight hr day three days a week? How many times do they have to say that? Work any other job and ask if you can leave early and not get penalized or half to turn in time.
GK's response was clear as mud. But it sounded like we have to make up the time if not in for 8 hours as they are using a rolling average of the hours in the office. So if I'm in 4 hours one day and leave for a sick kid or bad roads (working the other 4 hours from home), I will need to go in an extra day for 4+ hours and make up that time?
Time for HR to do the right thing and empower managers here to apply discretion as they see fit.
@a9 calm down big boy and read that again. They are saying don’t work extra for free if you are salaried. I know you are probably stressed that your job will soon be in India.
Who said remote employees are coming and going as they please? I have 8 hours a day at my desk from 8-5. Stfu.
Because it is clear as mud, can I work two 12-hour days and get my 24 hours, which is equivalent to three 8-hour days, or do I need to be in the office 3 days a week, with each day at least 8 hours? Don't answer... asking for a friend.
@a7 first of all grow the fu-k up.
Second of all what you were telling me is that if someone comes in with the intention of working 8 hours but for some reason they need to leave 1 hour early for a doctor's appointment or their kid gets sick, id--ts like you will be all Na-i and say it shouldn't count for in office.
I have people in technology that have to work 2 to 3 hours at night to do deployments because we are not allowed to deploy during the day. So I let them work 5 hours in the office and in 3 hours at night. Sometimes it's 6 and 2. but according to you bootklicker you think it needs to be a full 8. Skip the doctor and let the kid suffer waiting.
So just shut up with your assuming.
I have an expectation of being fairly compensated too.
If your salary your expected to work 8 hours, so stop working more!
There's clearly some sort of backend logic where the network would mark an IP as in office. As someone else said, it's very possible they adjust in the future to track an actual amount of hours though.
@a4 exactly, if people treat this like coffee badging and they are seeing 1 or 2 hour connections they will hit hard. If people are spending the majority of their day in office 5,6+ hours they’ll leave it be.
@a1 yeah, I think he spoke to the expectation, not the reporting. My understanding for now is that any amount counts, but they have the data, so don't get so wild they can come down on you.
Wondering if that question was planted. I don't trust 'em as far as I can throw 'em.
8 hours but remote employees can roam as they please? Get real. They essentially said they want you to quit.
“The expectation is”