Okay, most are not happy about the 8 hours. I have a serious question-- are people really busy 8 hours a day every day? Honestly? My work has highs and lows, sometimes I'm working 10-12+ hours/day, but in the low times I'm working less, and not always 8 to be honest. But I make up for it during the busy times. I don't dont know how I will stay busy for 8 hours a day in the office. Do people just fake it? I'm serious. In my low times, such as now, I reach out to my manager for more work, but she's never really given anything additional. I've been here for 5 years, I do my work well always a meets or exceeds, but I just dont know what to do for 8 straight hours in the office if I'm not busy. Anyone else have the same concerns?
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You mean executives. I'm a manager of managers and didn't receive advance notice of this BS.
Go check any bank board my dude and see if people are happy. This is an American society issue letting employers sc--w with staff.
And if you did want to climb the corporate ladder,why the fu-k would you want to do it at Wells Fargo
I usually take about 20 mins to work up a fat load to toss in the little boys room. I wonder if they can track that yet?
@ca And if you did want to climb the corporate ladder,why the fu-k would you want to do it at Wells Fargo? This place is repulsive in a multitude of ways for people who harbor actual ambition. The vast majority of people working at Wells are just trying to run out the clock and pull a paycheck with the least amount of hassle possible.
The people who come on here to spill that hustle and grind culture horsesh-t make me laugh. Read the room.
Catch up n my Netflix…and work during commercials
@OP There are a lot of at-will trainings on Develop You. Some of them are hours long, and some are basically webinars, no interaction at all. If you need to look busy in the office, fire one up and think your own thoughts while it runs.
@a8 This is going to come as a huge shock to you, but not everyone is looking for "advancement" or "higher positions". A lot of us are making enough to fund our REAL lives and just want to do the job, log off, and not think about it again until the next workday. Some of us prioritise our families, health, and hobbies and just want to make the money that funds it all, without giving a single solitary sh-t about climbing the ol' corporate ladder.
I don’t know why people can’t apply common sense to this. The expectation put out is that you’re IN-OFFICE for 8 hours per day. There is no expectation around 8 hours of WORK per day. In order to achieve 8 hours of actual WORK per day you would have to be in the office longer than the mandated 8 hours. This has never been mandated by leadership.
We need to stop conflating these two reports. Come in for 3 days a week, for 8 hours per day, and try to work more than a few hours so that you don’t pop up on any tracker. The 8 hour in-office thing su-ks, but we need to stop conflating it with 8 hours of work. They are not synonymous.
Maybe 3 hours of work a day. I visit the restroom about 6 times a day for a sneaky wa-k to ki-l time.
This is why I book myself a conference room most days. Very easy to pass the time, tending to my own interests with impunity.
But hey, I'm physically there and that's the main priority for our overlords.
Experience of being here over a quarter-century:
For the ten months, I worked customer service for online banking, it went from a few calls an hour when we had less than 1 Million online users, to non-stop back-to-back calls for 8 hours every day once we passed 2 Million online users. That job went from pleasing (I could get angry customers to thank me once I was done with them) to absolute torture and burnout.
The next 10 months I thought I had escaped by moving to online tech support, but when they couldn't hire enough people, tech with CS training got put in the CS queues, so I spent another 8 months in back-to-back 8-hour day call he-l.
Jumped to a PC/LAN job after that, and even at the busiest it was maybe 5-6 hours a day. It got easier as I learned more and got more efficient at troubleshooting the platform. I went from the least-knowledgeable on the team to being the one our team lead came to when he got stumped, even though I made a lot less than the senior members.
Went to infosec after that, and despite rarely being busy, hated the culture of BSDs there.
Went back to LAN and "worked" 3-4 hours most days because I knew the platform so well. Had a coworker who pulled 10-hour days, but that's because he spend hours a day flirting with any, and all, of the big-chested girls on the floor. Migrations were always a week of he-l, but I didn't mind pulling down OT and DT for ki-ling myself over a long weekend, plus occasionally travelling on the company dime and getting meals paid for was nice. Drinking beers with the 2-up after a 12-hour day was always a good time. Great memories even though I never got to do touristy stuff.
Moved into a completely different lane of tech and did some big project work. I worked 3-4 hours most days, then occasionally ki-led myself for long weekends and full weeks of pre-prod work. High profile, everyone knew what I did and why it was important, and the manager had my back for taking comp time since I was salaried.
Then the new management came in and it's been constantly threat of layoff because we didn't have enough work, even though the workload jumped back up to 6-8 hours of work on the daily.
It doesn't matter how busy you are. The wealthy and powerful are trying to force everyone to accept lower wages for more work. Just look at the job title compression going on. I've had 5 job titles in the past 3 years even though my role hasn't changed and I haven't gotten anything above the "standard" merit increase of less than inflation. This is the normal path for a capitalist empire in decline. They will squeeze every last drop out of us in order to maintain their elevated status.
This is every white collar job ever,not just Wells. It ebbs and flows and there are periods of crunch time, but its more common than not to be running at less than full capacity.
And yes, the solution to the office requirement is just to fake it. Keep meeting your objectives but don't stress about hands on keyboards and staying busy at all times. Draw boundaries on your time and clock out exactly at eight hours. They want to make time the most important measure of productivity, so be it.
If they do ever put on full activity monitoring, no one's that's not in a straight production/data entry type role is ever going to be able to meet a measure like that, and they'll end up breaking all sorts of things in the process of rolling a measure like that out, so there's no sense in stressing over it. This would not be a place you'd want to work if they end up going to that level
Same for me. That’s why 8 hours in office doesn’t make sense. I work 16 hours in high times. You can’t stay in office for 16 hours. The building is empty. It’s not safe.
Managers were warned about hours in the office surveillance several months ago, and before anything was formalize so they themselves wouldn’t pop up on the reports! Different rules for different folks…
This is interesting. Those who wait to be told exactly what to do and do nothing when not specifically told what to do are outing themselves as someone not ready for advancement. If you don't agree with this post then you don't understand the mindset thats needed to do well in higher level positions. They aren't going to promote someone who can't show their ability to think independently and figure out how to add value (while earning their pay, I might add)
Same- work varies. I can work 12 hour days but then have lull times where I don’t even have six hours. No one on ny team is in my office. I try to do training but sitting in a cube and training is horrible. The only change I see is I won’t be doing the12 hour days anymore. If that makes the duration longer, so be it. Complain to management.
@OP in the exact same boat and dont work with a single person in my location, and was hired remote in 2018.
Take long breaks and lunches, download movies and shows to your phone I guess.
For me it all depends on what I am doing. If I am designing and implementing a new system I work 8-9 hours a day and think about the project most hours that I am up. If I have handed the system off to I well then I have h&&ll for 10-12+ hours a day.