I had a huge fight with my manager yesterday. I didn’t back down for the first time over something important, and it exploded into a huge argument that ended with him walking away. All my expertise was ignored, all my knowledge, over a decade of work here... I’m so tired of this cr-p. I want to quit so badly but I can’t. I need this fu--ing job because losing it would be disastrous for my family right now. I know I’m expected to apologize and I’ll probably have to do it on Monday. But I feel so small, so impotent. I want to scream, tell him to go fu-k himself, and just walk out for the sake of my mental health. But I’ve been taking his cr-p for years, and the one time I stand up to him I know I’ll have to take it back even though we both know I’m right. I’m just so, so tired of this cr-p.
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Don't feel bad OP, I had it out big time with my manager also. I went off about the toxic environment, hostile treatment and overall unethical behavior from management.
I've been here for a long time, the years have had their ups-and-downs but this is by far the worst I've ever seen it. They WANT YOU TO QUIT, it is called FORCED ATTRITION.
WF recruits many of their managers directly from Burger King.
Upper management comes from worse places, ones I won't mention here.
Stay strong, save your $$, don't spend it on stupid stuff, retire early and enjoy.
@OP A decade of knowledge? Really? Maybe 7 years , the first 3 you were wet behind the ears. No knowledge just questions and mistakes.
Unfortunately, I’ve been there as well. It seems that going to the EAC was of no help as they just sided with my manager. However, the one thing that did help, is to request a meeting with THEIR Manager. If you do score a meeting, be sure you stick to the facts and leave opinions out of it. Also, if the environment is toxic, let them know why and hopefully their manager will be able to talk to your manager to bring the temp down a bit. It probably won’t change the situation, but will hopefully at least cool things down a bit.
I let my manager make crappie decisions and make sure my name is not on it. This has worked well in the past to affect change. Managers now are far too easy to game as the A managers have left and the id--ts and a-s kissers remain.
I can really relate to this. I've been standing up to my bully narcissistic manager for some time now. I have a weekly 1 x 1 now, and I've been improving big time so he is pi---d. I've started to document via email. I got most of my deferred company already. I have nothing to lose now. I'm trying to play a game back to him, it's called make it super hard for you to fire me you jealous, weak, insecure POS. Once I get on the other side and out of this he-l, I'm going to make it my mission in the background to get this guy back. It's personal to me. This weak stupid bully ruined my career at this company I was a lifer at. We gotta me smarter than these insecure fools. There is a way to defeat them - I hope!!!
Managers are like the weather. They change. Hang in there and make yourself a voodoo doll of your piece of sh-t manager. Have fun.
Can't really get better advice than what is in these replies. A fun thing is to go to youtube and search "we do not care club". Main thing is to let go. Your manager is trained in the art of bullying. They have beat the system. Teamwork and agile have failed at Wells Fargo. Start upskilling, learn how to apply AI, learn to be your own business.
Don’t quit or your manager wins!! Don’t let him by quitting. Just make sure you pls defense going forward so they can’t terminate you without severance!! That’s how I play. Think of it this way, if anyone should leave, it’s the manager, not you!! Good luck! Don’t react.
I hear you OP. At the end of the day, you just need to stop caring. Oppose a plan? State it in writing and save that communication forever, and move on with your life. What you're experiencing is happening all over the company. It's not all that different than the environment prior to the account scandal. The only real difference now is that there was no war on company morale and massive scale downsizing back then, so the DGAF index was much lower. The current path we're on likely won't end well, but the thing is, there's nothing any of us can do about it. Nothing. All real authority has been centralized to the OC and a few of their +1s. No one else is making meaningful decisions, so we just have to let it go. Collect the checks, document your opposition to specific issues, keep the head down, be as generally agreeable as possible, and don't give them an excuse to not pay your severance. We all have one coming eventually.
Save any written communication where your manager encouraged / demanded you do what you know is incorrect, because these decisions often do come back to you.
I’d send follow up email that would list what was asked of you, what is your professional opinion/suggestion and would insist that your manager provide final decisions in writing. Do not apologise in writing; if you feel the need for it do it verbally. And going forward so this for everything else. Yes, this is kindergarten and not professional way of doing things. At the end of the day it would buy you time to find other job and move on. Don’t take it close to your heart just take one day at a time. You already know that this 💩show company is not after your experience and expertise. Best of luck to you!
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I’m really sorry you’re going through this. It’s exhausting when you care about doing things right but keep running into a broken system. At the end of the day, remember — it’s just a job. They pay you to do things, even if they’re wrong. Protect yourself: insist on email instructions, keep everything documented, and let your manager be responsible for any wrongdoing. Almost every aspect of our company is broken beyond repair, and smart people who realize that end up feeling exactly like you do. Don’t let it crush you — and if it keeps getting to you, quietly start looking for something new, because it’s unlikely to get better here. People with knowledge and integrity rarely thrive in places like this.
I was just let go on 9/30. Frankly - I hear what you are saying, the BS that was pushed down to the team by the mgrs. I'm still in a bit of shock after my long time at the bank. However, I'm now not having to deal with the hassles, RTO, 8 hrs per day, badge in/badge out....LOL! My worry now is income....but any employer can fill that. I'm starting to look around and I'm confident I can find a gig that won't have all that Mgr BS. WF is unique in that respect, all the culture that existed is being thrown away in favor whatever these new Mgrs are bringing in. Thanks, but no thanks!
IMHO.
Launch a job hunt, or redouble your existing one, this weekend, of course. In the meantime, document your boss’ demands, shrug your shoulders, and just follow them, even if you’re engaging in “malicious compliance”.
Few things--
Keep things factual and def not personal.
Turn on your "I don't give a f**k mode". Keep the emotions in check. I know things can be maddening when leaders/management decide to do something incredibly stupid.
Tell him/her what you think the right course of action is and impacts if they don't do it
Cover your a$$ -- document your recommendations so that if/when it goes to sht, you've got it on record that you advised not do whatever bullsht they want to do.
If they still decide to bang their head against a wall after telling them that it will hurt, that's on them (see previous items).
You don’t have to apologize about the facts - but you should probably should about letting it get emotional. It’s honestly not worth arguing with people like that - which is a lot of managers here. You can tell them about the wall - it’s up to them if they want to drive right into it