IT is primarily focused on India, and I dislike this trend. They are the main reason for disruptions in US work culture, often exhibiting micromanagement. We had very great leaders, they were let go to be replaced. Any organizational announcements or changes were only meant to promote "birds of a weather flock together". Look at org chart and when you know budgets are tight, chop off the managed services. Additionally, leadership, including directors and VPs, seems to be accepting kickbacks from managed services to bring in cheaper labor. I'm uncertain about what the future holds for American workers and the next generation. US jobs and companies are for US people not for Asians.
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@2vb That my friend....is called hypocracy.
@2vb Probably cause an American technical leader would 100% put them out of a job in 10 minutes.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend etc.
@2vb Some are so weird that they pose behind or with an American flag and claim they care about vets or run in marathons to show patriotism or something.
Some wanna be directors in the Digital org are the same. I have seen them hire Indians through and through! The leadership is a joke!
15 years from now all critical tech in the U.S have been offshored.
In the meantime, China has all its own tech built in house and leading all things AI - they also don't replace their own people with cheaper offshore teams.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/coding-caste-tech-elites-dalit-exclusion-and-the-myth-of-meritocracy-in-the-indian-diaspora
They typically want to hire an family member within their same caste and exclude everyone else. They rarely hire African Americans I notice too. But use DEI to benefit themselves (back when it was popular).
They will always throw ridiculous, irrelevant questions if they don't want to hire you in spite of being qualified and even overqualified. Keep your head up and spread this knowledge.
RE: “indians generally hiring indians”
i can attest to this. none of my interviews that involve indians ever moved forwatrd.
here’s one example i encountered. there is one company who has been looking for a niche skill (that i have) for 5 months (i know because i have applied on the 1st month and i keep seeing it getting reposted). i finally got an interview on the 5th month of reposting the job. turns out all team is in india with an exception of 1 techlead who is in the US. they need to fill up 5 positions to replace the offshore resources.
the interviewer is indian. and when i was interviewed the questions is not related to the job position. and it looked like the interviewer is interviewing not to learn about you, but to make sure you fail, and so that they can justify why they need to keep the offshore indian resources.
there isn’t many of us that know that niche market skill. so it makes you really wonder.
gawd i hope that HIRE act gets approved (halting international rocation of employment act) . indian discrimination against non-indians in the US is becoming rampant
@29p you mean a new job? every team in the org is the same 99% indians.
You’d better be looking for a new team.
Indians generally hire Indians. Real diverse culture we strive for.
kind of scary.. my whole org in IT is almost all indians. Just looked at the members in the email blast and its almost all exclusively indian names. im sure some of them are onshore but im sure most of them are HIH..
@dk
this dev team that is having up tics of issues because of HIH does it have anything to do with edi gateway?
Sure, offshoring existed in the 1980s — but it was tiny.
What destroyed American IT career ladders wasn’t its existence, but its scale-up in the 2000s and especially during the recessions.
A spark isn’t the same thing as a wildfire.
@xj But it went into extremes during and post The Great Recession with the Musk, Thiel, Bezos, et al. Model.
https://www.aalpha.net/articles/how-outsourcing-helped-companies-survive-the-recession/
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberhard-marc-tarpenning-on-elon-musk.html
@x5 However, it is generally agreed by industry insiders that IT outsourcing officially began in the 1980s.
Read: https://www.theamegroup.com/headlines/a-history-of-it-outsourcing/
@wx IT goes way before 15 years. You do know Cisco was founded in the 80s, right?
American leaders and managers agreeing to inefficient cheap labor contracts for cost cutting measures has been a trend since IT began. Have been seeing this over the past 15 years in Cigna as well. HIH rubs off wrong because they are called “employees” now. If they were just contractors we would be okay with that, may be!
@qq Our company is led by people with no technical background, I have yet to see a leader who actually worked in the tech frontlines (iykyk looking at their resume usually means a lot of job hopping and some contractor roles to implement innovative technologies and then having companies fight over them).
HIH is very short sighted and very post 2008 cost cutting. The American engineers/technologists wind up cleaning the slop years later, then they get expensive and the cycle continues. The best investment Fortune 500s can do now is to seriously invest in on-shore principals. This will be the game changer as we move into the AI era.
In my team we are seeing an uptick in mistakes, errors, delays directly tied to HIH teams.
My question is: is the money saved on hiring these people still more than what these financial mistakes cost the company? Is this the thought behind it?
Yup. They manage to slow everything down. We have a dev team pretty much refusing to work without highly detailed requirements documentation, even though there are meeting recordings and higher level notes. We’ve even suggested running stuff through Copilot so they understand. Problem is there are no BAs to write the specifications they are asking for. And our team doesn’t have the staff or time to write this all down for them. Managing directors are getting involved but it has cost the whole project 6 weeks and now it will be delayed orientation due to 1/1 freeze.
This never happened when that dev team were based in the US. This kind of stupidity will eventually catch up to DP and he’ll be pushed out. Or told to hire back Americans. Won’t be for a few years at least, and a lot of damage will happen first. Gonna get worse before it gets better
But Trump & pals say the Indians are here to train us d-mb Americans and then go home.
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I am certainly ready for the voluntary retirement offer in January. Can't handle much more of this.
That cheap labor has shown since day 1.
Every single function using HIH is worse off. Prove me wrong. Does it matter to the shareholders and leaders right now? No, give it time, it will.