Thread regarding Illumina Inc. layoffs

I don't understand what you're saying here: "why shouldn't you keep accountable who is making the decision to give your job to someone else that does it for cheaper".

If you're saying why shouldn't the decision makers be held accountable for outsourcing your job, I'm saying they should! That's the company making those decisions and so they should be held accountable through tariffs or other means.

"how do you think tariffs are going to work out" - tariffs incentivize companies to do business in America. Tariffs say "if you are going to outsource labor and eliminate American jobs to save a buck, we're going to apply tariffs when you try to come back to America to sell your products". Companies can choose to pass those tariffs on, but they can also choose to take the hit to their bottom line.

Regardless, if tariffs get passed on to the consumer, it only applies to the people buying those products. Do you know who consumes in America? The answer is the rich! The top 10% of the wealthy in America account for 50% of consumption here. Do you not agree that it's more fair to tax in this way via consumption rather than income?

In some cases, say bioinformatics, does outsourcing the job actually result in tariffs? Perhaps not because it might not impact the where the product is manufactured/tariffs may not apply. This is the "other means" aspect that I alluded to earlier.

@22r I am genuinely curious about how you're thinking those things are going to work out. But sure, here's your badge for owning the libs. Happy? Ok now how do you think tariffs are going to work out, and why shouldn't you keep accountable who is making the decision to give your job to someone else that does it for cheaper.

Look at all these liberals I triggered! They think they're so clever but they don't realize all their points are logical fallacies!

When did I say the U.S. can't buy foreign companies? When did I blame foreigners?

@1xv you're blaming a poorly payed employee on the other side of the globe of stealing your job, but not the corporate ghoul that took the decision? And please do explain how exactly are tariffs going to keep companies accountable?

@1xv with an "America first" agenda (whatever this means; hopefully something else than the current mass destruction of everything that made the US successful by the Trump administration), would Illumina ever have acquired Solexa, this foreign (!) company, which developed the SBS technology, the foundation of Illumina's success (and dollars!)?

And yet a bunch of liberals at Illumina think we don't need an America first agenda. It's easy to play niceties until someone takes your job. Ironically, people with that point of view come from a place of privilege. If companies are going to outsource jobs they need to be held accountable in the form of tariffs or other means.

@ng Crushing indeed. We are cogs in a wheel, a means to an end, as this new hire-all-my-buddies ELT slowly hollows out the company core while providing little to no true vision, leadership, or job security. Someone on this site called the ELT sociopaths. I thought it a bit excessive but now it seems fitting. At least some of them. While trying to “save the company" and making millions in the process, they are slowly destroying and compromising everything from the inside out - creativity, culture, camaraderie, benefits, trust, integrity. They’ve laid off roughly 1/4+ of the company yet doubled the workload, failed to replace critical positions, while providing no useful management solutions or oversight as many depts struggle to function in the absence of colleagues, and the brain drain continues. Witness the recent "values" debacle where they wasted millions (yes millions) on redefining company values while many cannot get the basic tools, support or resources we need to do our jobs daily. Giving largely meaningless pep talk company meetings. After pulling RSUs, increasing food costs, reducing other benies, and soon downgrading our health insurance to save more money "and provide a better smoother experience". GIS is barely functional and yet something we need, use and rely on daily. Outsourcing to India Sgp, etc. We will likely be next living in the most expensive city in the US. Illumina has and had some of the best most productive hard working people in the industry but has always been its own worse enemy (eg, Grail), complicating and making many things more difficult than necessary due to lack of smart effective management. And now apparently in desperate need of brand new million dollar “values" to make it all better…as we’re told it’s raining while being p’d on. Insulting, disappointing and depressing.

India and Singapore site has been exponentially expanding with much importance given by US out sourcing drive.

The situation is just going to keep ramping up, so fellow colleagues do consider riding the tide and ask for transfer to Singapore to continue contributing to the company.

Software roles have been consistently moved to lower-cost offices. See the retention of the Belgium and Israel sites. They also recently moved US-based sw engineering roles to Singapore and forced the sw PMs to move from the Bay Area to SD. No surprise that more of the lower-level roles will be filled in India.

Of course all business is about bottom line and out sourcing is one way.
Anyway, nothing is going to change the out sourcing to India or Singapore.

Go check up the list of job opportunities in Singapore and get a transfer there to enjoy job stability and advancement in a First World Country.

It is not just to India. Singapore is another place for outsourcing jobs now.

ELT is offshoring everything it can to India - safe in the In the knowledge that they can get people to work 12+ hour shifts, on half the salary and none of the benefits.

My entire team is now entirely India based and honestly, the sense of marginalisation is crushing. A recent town hall call saw the functional leader talk endlessly about how good the “team in India is”. Without referencing anyone else.

Illumina is finished. We’re little more than some bits of IP and a few nice offices. People, culture, innovation, market value - gone. And the are never coming back.

Between Francis and Jacob and a sycophantic and barely, barely mediocre ELT they’ve sunk the company.

Offshoring, layoffs, it’s solely about the bottom line to American corporate greed.