Thread regarding Ford layoffs

@1tz Displaced peoples never fare well.
Learn from history.

@1ws

I'd say technically no, other than presenting fraudulent degrees, ect. Exploiting a loophole bought and paid for politicians are lobbied and bribed to keep open might not be their fault. However, sending them back to the $hit hole from whence they came won't be anyone in particular's fault either, just a cause and effect of cleaning things up and having them run the way they should be. That's to say nothing of the nepotism going on - the kind that actually exploits them further because the senior level ones that have made it up the chain know what it takes to exploit them.

@1v0

So then you must agree that the H1Bs are playing fair and square.

Finally, someone on the forum gets it.

The H1Bs aren't doing anything wrong.

@1tz The land was purchased. Look it up.

@1p1+1kt3b9qh6 I'm pretty sure they said the same thing about Suchir Balaji, who was mu---red for whistle-blowing. He did not ki-l himself. They refuse to investigate properly too.

Poor mother. No joke. So sad.

@c5 I think you're being tormented by your own demons.

So you like DEI now? What youre describing sounds like you want better treatment for white people? Isn't that DEI? I thought we got rid of that. White people couldn't compete with H1B and lost the race. Don't all of the sudden start loving Unions and DEI when you think it'll help you but hate it when it helps others.

But that only applies to white people.

@1n7 Indian managers exercise their “in-group preference” and hire other Indians. Same with Chinese.

If white people did that, it would be called “racial discrimination”.

But that I may applies to whiten people.

@1n4

What does it mean to be an American citizen if we have to compete with the entire world for jobs in our own land?

@1n4 Have you tried working harder and being smarter? Capitalism 101 explains how corporations save money in any way they can. You are saying they are paying american wages to H1b's and spending extra money on immigration expenses? Might as well just hire americans then right? THere is nothing called cheap labor, H1b's go through DOL approval to ensure corporations do not low ball the candidates. They have to be paid fairly but if you were able to understand all this, then I am sure you wouldn't be crying here.

Mr Trump and Mr Musk have made it very clear how valuable the H1B candidate is to capitalism. Their education is comparable to ours while the are paid significantly less than us. This is Capitalism 101. We know which candidate employers will choose.

We Americans have to adjust and be more competitive with those candidates. That includes accepting competitive - LOWER - compensation.

Most Americans don't want to hear that. But that is the only way to compete with a global work force.

I saw today that some judge threw out the $100k H-1B visa fee.

The Techlords are gonna go wild!

Powertrain warranty has been outsourced to Brazil and Mexico. I think service engineers and the manager are about the only ones still in the US. All the warranty analysts are outsourced. Hmmm warranty problems growing over the last 4 yrs, why?

I was approached by another OEM, I'm not sure how they found me? It was all very "weird". Anyway, is it normal for them to start asking you if you can perform realtime HUMINT on people in a crowd? Is this automotive or something else? How did they find me?

It cheaper to hire Indians.
What does it mean to be an American citizen if you have to compete with the entire world for a job on your own soil?

Many US companies are hiring people from India with visa to work in the US. It cheaper to hire Indians. Now they are everywhere in the US.

Of all the things that did not happen, this didn't happen the most 1/10 engagement post.

If an H1B can do it, AI can do it better.

@g4

A lot of Indians are moving to Mexico to get Mexican citizenship so they can work in the US through TN visa. I have met many of these Indian body shop workers who are Mexican citizens, they have an entire pipeline to get thousands of people a Mexican passport every year.

@cm the interesting thing is the whole Indian IT scheme is imploding even in India. Body shopping Indian IT workers days are numbered.

It’s kind of humorous as a number of “out-sourcing” companies are staffing up a lot in Brazil and Argentina as their customers are rejecting the Indian solution due to poor quality IT in India. The “out-sourcing” companies are further reducing Indian pay rates to try to convince customers to accept Indian IT with no joy. As FYI “out-sourcing” company contracts allow the customer to select tiers. Top tier is the most expensive and has US and European workers. Mid tier is less expensive and has Brazil, Argentina. Bottom Tier is India.

These “out-sourcing” companies have tried scamming customers telling them that they are getting Top Tier or Mid Tier they paid for and substituting Indian workers behind the scenes. They were exposed and sued.

@OP. You could be replaced by an H1B indian, or replaced by the same indian in India. Ford is outsourcing the IT jobs to India, and engineering jobs to Mexico and Brazil.

The only question the "new guys" have to answer correctly, is if they are willing to work for peanuts. The hiring manager and the company, starting from the helm, don't care about the rest of the questions. As I was told by a manager, they can hire 3 people in India with my salary and still have plenty left for more. Regarding if they can do the job, management don't care. The idea is to open cases with vendors for every little cr@p.

@bd+1kt3b9qh6 Training them keeps me in the company for a few months longer. I could take the high road and leave now, or get paid to train them. I choose the latter. Besides, let's be honest, most of what I say goes over their heads.

@be+1kt3b9qh6 True, I don't have to train them. I choose to do it because I get paid for doing so.

@bm+1kt3b9qh6 Yes, it is an abuse of the system, but politicians are corrupted. Nobody cared when the blue collar jobs were taken to China, Mexico or Canada. Nobody cares when our white collar jobs are gone to India. America has been hollowed by the greedy companies and the corrupted politicians.

@c9 This was all true few years ago but not anymore. No more dual filing h1b, only one person and it is wage level. PERM applications are almost gone at this point given they are failing the labor market test where too many locals apply for that role and company will bail on them knowing they cannot justify. My employer did that to me and many others and asked us to move on, I guess it is fair as that is how rules are designed. Most of the folks you see are on OPT, STEM OPT and CPT. Eventually it will get better, many internationals are not willing to come to USA anymore given the uncertainty and lack of opportunities. On that note, these roles will be moved to offshore so you are losing either way.

This happens all across southeast Michigan. Indian recruiters / managers place Indian "talent", companies hire and get a discount.

Happened to me when I worked at ZF in Northville- they did layoffs but the Indian H1B were all "Protected" because they also moved all their families here and HR deems it too much a risk to lay them off. I contacted a lawyer but was told it would be hard to prove they were protected because of race

Below from X. It explains why so many Ford H1Bs quickly get a MBA from Larry Tech. Nearly all paid the same Indian group to do their coursework and take tests for them all while “working” their 40 hours at Ford.

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How Indian Nationals Scam the H-1B Visa
In this article I will explain the Indian H-1B scam in depth. Buckle in there's a lot here.

1. The Indian Invasion of Big Tech

There is an entire Indian nepotism industry in America in the Tech and IT world. It's comprised of businesses like IBM, Amazon, Microsoft, Google, and Meta who have scores of Indian hiring managers who only hire Indians. But the bigger scam is done via the "Big 5" Indian IT companies.

The "Big 5" which is really the big 6 Indian IT companies are Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), Infosys, HCLTech, Wipro, Cognizant and Tech Mahindra. These are all massive companies with thousands of employees, and yet the vast majority of their employees, are Indian. Some even have workforces that are up to 99% Indian. How is this possible without direct intentional discrimination? It's not. They've been sued in massive lawsuits over their discriminatory hiring practices where they intentionally fired and refused to hire non-Indian employees (Cognizant Lawsuit)

1. The Indian Nepotism Wheel.

Indian recruiters work with the Indian hiring managers to fill "H-1B only" roles. You can find hundreds of these recruiting posts on LinkedIn. This is of course highly illegal but the DOJ has been asleep at the wheel so nothing happens to these people. These bodyshop recruiters operate here in America and in India where they source their bodies.

Then you have the Indian immigration consultants. These businesses manage and guide the H-1B applicant through the process of committing immigration fraud. I'll explain how this works in the next point. Lastly you have the funnel of Indians in India. These are very low skill workers, often very poor, often can barely speak English and totally unable to assimilate. They have fake degrees from a diploma mill in India which they can buy extremely easily for a few hundred dollars. The "talent" is often young military age men who are sent here by their family to get a job in America and send back remittances. A practice that is heavily encouraged by the Indian government.

1. Scamming the H1B lottery system.

The way the H1B lottery system works is the company submits an application to USCIS on behalf of the H-1B applicant. There is a yearly cap for new H1B approvals (extensions are not included.) The cap is hit every year within a few months usually. So let's say there are 500,000 H1B applications total but there's a cap of 85,000/yr. A random lottery is used to select the 85,000 from the 500k. But the 85k is split between 20k with Masters Degrees or higher (this is important to remember), and 65k regular H1Bs.

What the Indian immigration consultants (scammers) do is they create dozens of applications for each Indian using shell companies. Thus drastically increasing the chance that the Indian scammer will be selected in the lottery. This is the crucial fraud that allows for over 70% of H-1B visas to go to Indian nationals. Regular law-abiding H-1B applicants from all over the world submit one application. The Indian scammers submit dozens per applicant.

The often unmentioned downside from this fraud is it actually reduces the top talent coming to America by blocking actually talented candidates from Canada and Europe who follow the rules.

But that's not all. Remember the 20k reserved for Masters degrees and up? Well they scam that system too. They use fake degrees from India to land spots in masters programs in America. In these masters programs they have Indian allies who let them skate through their masters degree. Most of the time they are paying someone back in India to do all the work. Meanwhile they are driving uber or working under the table illegally (F1 Visa holders are not allowed to work full-time).

Once they have scammed a masters degree, they apply using the same fraudulent method of multiple applications. Thus hording the vast majority of the 20k H1Bs reserved for masters students.

1. C2C & Extensions

The most broken part of the H-1B Visa system is the extensions. The H-1B Visa was designed as a temporary visa. It's under the same umbrella as other temporary visas like the temporary farm worker visa (H2-A). It was designed to provide temporary relief for specialty occupations that require a Bachelor's degree or higher while they work to fill the role with an American. In practice, the system does the opposite. Every H-1B is automatically extended. You have H-1Bs working here for decades, just filing extension after extension.

C2C just stands for corporation to corporation. Basically in order to stay in the country. The Indian nepotism wheel ensures that if an H-1B wants to leave a company or is let go. They place them in another company which reserves specific roles for H-1Bs (again illegal). This is also called "benching" where Indian H-1B scammers are given fake positions in these fraudulent IT companies doing zero work while they wait to be placed.

This is why there are so many H-1Bs in the country. 120k+ are approved every year (the 85k cap + exceptions), and the ones that are approved remain in the H-1B funnel until they start the process of getting a green card (PERM).

1. PERM Scams

You may have seen the recent controversy around the job boards a few tech folks have created to fight back against the H1B scams. What these job boards are is a list of the hidden job postings companies are putting in local newspapers and off the beaten path listings.

Why are they hiding job postings in local newspapers and not posting them on their careers page? They already filled the role with an H-1B. But in order for an H-1B to progress towards a green card they need to fill out what's called a PERM application.

A PERM application is an application that basically tries to prove that no qualified American candidate can fill the role. To satisfy this obligation the company must publicly advertise the position. If no qualified American candidate applies, the PERM is approved and the H-1B progresses towards a green card. There's more to the process but that's really all you need to know.

What Jobs.Now and h1bjobsdirect.com have done is effectively exposed these companies for purposefully hiding their legally mandated job postings. They are abusing the system and discriminating against American candidates.

These job boards are so critical in the fight against H-1B fraud because they block the pathway to citizenship for the Indian scammers. Which is the entire reason they scam the H-1B program to begin with.

Now you understand why the calls for keeping the H-1B system from the tech oligarchs is a crock of sh-t. The H-1B system doesn't select for the best and brightest. It selects for who is the lowest moral character willing to scam the system while EXCLUDING the best and brightest from Western countries who have high moral character and are following the rules.
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Ford refuses to even interview American citizens for jobs if they can get an outlander to apply.

And any American citizen that makes it must be a DEI candidate.

I have heard similar stories from my friends. This is not getting any better. Ford offices looks like a Indian call centers!

Just think about that, you are less value than and in experienced H1B that has a $100k cost to buy that visa.

This is a gross abuse of the system, contact a lawyer immediately.

@OP

Yes absolutely direct them towards the most difficult people you deal with. You are under no obligation to go out of your way to train them and your work quality obviously won't be evaluated at your next review. Your employer holds no leverage over you at this point.

So why bother training them? if they are taking your job? Train em how to do it wrong?