Thread regarding Cigna layoffs

@225 many Good Old Girls and Good Old Boys already took VRP, or left. EviCore had 10% RIF YTD. Will that ease the hates a little bit?

@225 anyone who does UM gets bad press. Cigna has faced a multitude of penalties and lawsuits in the last few years because of their bad practices and compliance failures.
Cigna people throwing shade to EviCore people is like the pot calling the kettle black.

@212 cause EvilCore has all the bad press thanks to the long time evicore employees. Also too many Good Old Girls Clubs and Good Old Boys Clubs.

@20c why they hate EviCore? What can EviCore do to change their minds?

@1hw I get the idea now that Cigna really likes ESI but hates EviCore.

@1dn seems like a common consensus Evicore wants to be their own entity and Cigna wants to get rid of them. It’s wild bc my team on Evicores end is always waiting on Cigna to figure their life out

evicore su-ks, good riddance. I can't tell how I hate them more: as a policy holder that gets their denial letters personally, or professionally with their shady way of doing business.

@1dn My team works with EviCore and they repeatedly lie to us and under-deliver. They also appear to be playing shady shell games with client funds, but we can’t get a straight answer. I’ll be very glad when we don’t have to deal with them anymore.

Cigna has been the bane of our existence since they took over. It’s all about synergy and “lead to one” and meanwhile it just gets worse. I hope they spin us back to a PE firm. The environment was so much healthier when we were not under the Cigna umbrella.

@1ac they probably got laid off or had to take early retirement

Who are the leadership in Evicore? How is this going to impact them? Are they too much incompetent trouble makers and made the senior executives spent too much attentions on them that they felt unworthy? Or, the senior executives don’t know what EviCore is doing, could not answer questions from regulators due to political climate change?

@121 it’s always an Evicore problem

@dz Cigna legit has no idea how to do their job, then will try to tell Evicore, they legit have no clue

@121 one less problem once Evicore is sold.

@b3 wondering this too

@kd how? None of the agents at Cigna know what they are doing. They transfer members to Evicore for benefits, billing etc related inquiries that Cigna is responsible for

Yes - that is how I interpreted the email as well.

If anyone reads the daily Business Communications email sent out, this item caught my eye - should answer your questions about a sale which sounds like a definite YES.

Healthcare Dive (4/30, Parduhn) reports The Cigna Group is also exploring a sale of its claims review subsidiary EviCore “as the company continues to prune its portfolio to focus on pharmacy services and employer-sponsored plans.” Evanko said exiting the ACA market and potential sale of EviCore “reflect a deliberate strategy to sharpen our focus on our key platforms.” The Cigna Group’s first-quarter results showed a 25% profit increase, with $1.7 billion in net income, as the company shifts towards a new business model for its PBM, Express Scripts.

The infighting here is crazy. As if anyone under a big corpo is exempt from RIFs because of the value/quality of their work. This instability should make everyone under the Cigna umbrella angry. They. Don't. Care. About. Us. Or our families.

@kz Sounds like Cigna is offloading this failing business.

Evicore definitely doesn’t fit into the lead to one strategy.

@fe f right off. EviCore long time employees are known to gatekeep their knowledge to set up Cigna/ESI workers to fail.

@jy This person gets it. Cigna was actually the good guy here.

@dv What’s hilarious about your post is the fact that you reference “your company” as if you don’t get your paycheck from mother Cigna. Sorry you’re living in the past where evilCore has autonomy. PA’s are absolutely necessary, but “your” tight policies and processes have actually ki-led people both pre and post acquisition, so maybe STFU.

I know what you mean, some long time EviCore lead analysts and seniors keep taking in word salads and did nothing substantial.

@fe what type of cases are these ones?

As a supervisor for the Evicore nursing team, we started getting some "Cigna" nurses to our team. They were suppose to be producing up to 6 cases/hr, and they were doing 1 case/hr, even after 4 months. In light of where things are today, I'm certain they were just offloading their poor workers to the Evicore teams rather than outrightly terminate them, putting the burden of termination on the Evicore side (which looks bad on paper, by the way.) Basically, I think Cigna did everything they could to bog down Evicore. When people would explain Medicare to the higher ups, we were basically told to shut up, at least until Cigna got a hefty fine for non-compliance. They will reap what they sow I guess.

But I really wanted to stay with Cigna :-(. Do you think we will be sold and safe or let go?

@aq you’re on the right track but cohere doesn’t have the capital to buy us. It’ll likely be PE firm that may own adjacent companies which would be the best case for evi.

It's funny listening to everyone sh-t on EviCore when two of my lead analysts have a stronger skillset and get more work done than 4 senior advisors on the Cigna side. 95% of Cigna's "dashboards" are glorified excel workbooks that have to be manually created each month. The AI-pocalypse is coming for all the low skill individual contributors and twice redundant middle management at Cigna and I for one am glad we're gonna miss it.

@dv Thanks for proving the other posters’ points about EviCore employees. 🤣😂🤣

Alright. Wentworth specifically said in a town hall during the integration that we're going slow so we give EviCore space to thrive and we dont squash them. This was Express Scripts leadership at the time, then soon after came Cigna. It doesn't matter what entity you get paid from. Truthfully we are all in this sh-t together regardless of where we work these days. We need each other.

These comments are exactly the problem. eviCore is a multi-billion dollar, highly profitable company. There’s nothing “shady” going on, you just haven’t bothered to educate yourself.

The reality is the industry requires prior auth. You don’t like it? Cool. Still doesn’t change it. Deal with it.

We built something that actually worked. We were the leader in our space before Cigna came in acting like we were id--ts who didn’t know what we were doing because it didn’t fit the “Cigna way.” And ever since? It’s been years of forcing everything through their a-s-backwards processes and chasing every bullsh-t strategy they roll out. Drive to 25, Lead to One, whatever the next buzzword is, same story.

And honestly, comments like this just confirm what we already know: legacy Cigna thinks they’re better than everyone else. Meanwhile, from where I’m sitting, your company looks more like a sinking ship than some gold standard.

So maybe take a second before coming at us… because your sh-t isn’t exactly smelling like roses either.

@cg I've worked at all three and out of all of them EviCore has the most toxic legacy employees. Lots of Good Ole Girls clubs and Good Ole Boys Clubs.

ESI and Cigna actually had the kindest people overall, really smart. The one that I felt may appear to be full of themselves actually knew too much and I couldn't blame them for their frustrations with EviCore's bullsh-t.

@ce I remember when Express Scripts acquired EviCore about 10 years ago. In my role I worked with them early on and those people were so full of themselves and obnoxious - while delivering a very subpar product and service model.

I totally agree that they treated others in the broader company like cr*p while constantly under-delivering and missing KPIs. There are serious problems and highly questionable business practices within EviCore that should have been dealt with years ago.

@c4 Some of the most incompetent and rude/condescending people I have ever dealt with at Cigna were in EviCore. That’s quite a combination. Something about that culture is toxic.

If you haven't seen Evicore as a drain on this company for a while, you haven't been paying attention. They made themselves the red headed step child because they treat all non Evicore people in the org like cr-p and for what? A mediocre product that they can't scale. Dead weight.

what was his whole email or talk about for EviCore?

Yes, that’s exactly what that means. I’m an internal client of EviCore and that operation is a poorly run mess and does some pretty unethical things. It won’t be a big loss.

@a3 Probably Cohere Health - doing the same thing but run by even worse id--ts with Bozo the Clowns running the show in the US and Hyderabad.