Thread regarding BD (Becton Dickinson & Co.) layoffs

We trained foreigners to take our jobs!!!

I was laid off a recently despite many years of service.

I know of one other co-worker, also long term employee, that was laid off the same day, but there may have been more.

We have been instructed not to talk to our co-workers.

There are lay offs last year and the year before.

But that may have been because of the 175 million dollar SEC lawsuit.

Basically they have us train a foreign workforce to do our jobs and once they are trained, they get rid of us.

So if you are training people from overseas to "be part of your team", start looking for work.

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@1bv bro got caught lying, couldn’t come back 😛😝

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Post ID: @1dn+1k86k6d7q

@1az Buddy, your English makes it pretty clear you’re not from America, even though you’re trying to sound like you are. Honestly, a fifth grader would have a better command of the language.

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Post ID: @1bv+1k86k6d7q

@1b1 offshoring typically doesn’t result in getting quality service, as in order to extract quality service, you need quality people within BD who can manage those resources. But, competence level is very low in BD and folks don’t even understand that because they are with BD for long time, so did not check/upgrade themselves for long.

And if BD eventually offshore everything, they don’t need any visa as indian or Vietnamese or polish working in their own country won’t need any visa. There has to be balance between immigration and offshoring. Too much immigration will hurt American workers and too much restrictions will pave the way for 100% offshoring.

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Post ID: @1br+1k86k6d7q

@148 quick research on Genpact shows who founder of that company is, origins, and their outsourcing specialty. Mentioned countries are friendly to Indian students/work visas? and are becoming tech hubs with “needs for new talent”…. for now….until it catches up to them and locals start complaining? BD leadership working with Genpact is strategic move, pushes the responsibility of hiring/managing the outsourcing process to a company that specializes in it. Also BD leadership gets to point fingers at third party if there’s operational/other issues and if outsourcing/offshoring/resourcing with this partner does not work well.

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Post ID: @1b1+1k86k6d7q

@180 maybe you meant expedited paperwork for Visa? That happened on our team. Manager and team interviewed qualified applicants, Manager liked a couple candidates and their experience, but went with one that required H1B visa extension and in another state. Team had to wait a month or so while legal finished up processing Visa transfer/other paperwork. Manager openly shared this in team meetings. New member eventually started, seemed fine, but nothing unusual and even manager admitted local candidate was good as well. This was such a red flag and another strategic move by manager. H1B will likely not speak up or report issues if there are any, since dependent on this job to remain in USA. Manager is long termed employee that already dealt with being reported to HR so just trying to CYA. And: there were portions of team work that required US citizenship for data security purposes so this new team member wasn’t able to support everything, protecting couple favorite team members on team.

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Post ID: @1az+1k86k6d7q

@17z every company takes help from
Immigration lawyers. Since you are an ignorant big*ot, you don’t know anything. With this level of IQ, doing anything is difficult.

You could at least take help from AI before posting, but that would be against your confirmation bias.

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Post ID: @18m+1k86k6d7q

@180 looks like you are bigger id*iot than what I thought off initially , basically blaming others for your incompetence. You have no idea about GC process because you were never a manger. Even a bad organization like BD at least took one right decision of not making a raci**st bigot a manager.

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Post ID: @18h+1k86k6d7q

@12k

Wrong! At the discretion of the manager, BD will pay for expedited processing and the paperwork gets though in about a month if I recall. You can do that during the initial filing or extension I believe.

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Post ID: @180+1k86k6d7q

@179

BD uses H1B so much that it has an entire HR team devoted to handling the massive paperwork and fees for this. They also outsource the legal burden so no manager here needs to be a H1B/GC expert. The only “experts” here are the ones abusing the system. For what it’s worth, I live in an area with a massive H1B population and ALL of the spouses work, and they have children that will also one day work and take jobs. Then, some bring the parents over too once they can.. Enough is enough!

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Post ID: @17z+1k86k6d7q

@11b you are a liar and you know nothing about GC filing.

Don’t get me wrong, irrespective of race, BD employees are not so skillful and as you move up the chain, IQ decreases. So, there is no point arguing who is bigger idi*ot. Anyone working in BD for 5 years or more, will adapt to BD culture which is toxic.

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Post ID: @179+1k86k6d7q

@167 what is H1Jeet?

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Post ID: @169+1k86k6d7q

@14t this. Entire qa and r&d departments were moved overseas to the unique not so diverse location and has been producing figuratively and literally sh*t products and solutions. Everyone can easily notice how fraudulent those people are and how nepotistically and cliquishly they hire and protect themselves. This thread with unrelated H1jeet spamming with obvious AI responses, is proof of it.

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Post ID: @167+1k86k6d7q

How did this turn into a totally irrelevant H1B conversation? The original point of the post was related to layoffs in the US partially being the result of BD leadership outsourcing or even in sourcing jobs to more cost effective locations (think Genpact with India, Poland, Romania, etc.). Yet those of us still here in the US better endure a horrible commute every day to be in the office to work with our teams in different time zones!

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Post ID: @14t+1k86k6d7q

Has it ever occured to you that all these jobs losses aren't cause of "foreigners stealing jobs". But rather absolutely poor and opportunistic government policies. No regulation on the use of AI. No efforts to decentralize large companies. Prioritizing financial bottom lines and favoring billionaires. But it's okay. Keep blaming immigrants. It's easier to do that than reflect on the fact that you've chosen a government and economic policy that will always prioritize the stock market over people.

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Post ID: @14n+1k86k6d7q

@12p India doesn’t have more than 800-900 employees, and 50% of it will be in sales and marketing. But, do you know BD is offshoring a big portion to Genpact? So again, for BD poor leadership and offshoring is the problem.

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Post ID: @148+1k86k6d7q

@12n Mexico has large population, but not many applicants for EB green card. Why so? Same question for Indonesia.

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Post ID: @146+1k86k6d7q

@12n That argument doesn’t hold up — eliminating competition because you can’t keep up isn’t the solution. By that logic, the U.S. should also stop Chinese from coming here and winning math Olympiads on behalf of the country. Indians make up less than 2% of the population — hardly a dominant number — so it seems the real issue here isn’t overrepresentation, but discomfort with merit and hard work. AI has changed the scenario, what got you job 20 years ago, won’t get you job any more. And my fear is, more restrictions would cause more offshoring and hence more job loss here.

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Post ID: @145+1k86k6d7q

@12m most of us are being laid off due to that outsourcing, to India primarily (but not always). H1B is secondary issue. Or was primary issue until US companies switched gears with support from Indian IT centers/giants and their ongoing and never ending supply of workers with it skills. It’s hard for US workers to compete with the sheer amount of population in India. Where are those 75,000 BD workers located today? Where are the IT workers located? would be curious to see true breakdown of departments/salaries/number of workers by region and country.

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Post ID: @12p+1k86k6d7q

@12e yes, if there was no GC limits then all would be taken by those from India or China due to their large population sizes and wanting to come to USA. My spouse is from India, we have these discussions all the time. I am an immigrant myself, but grew up and went to school in the USA. We are both for stricter H1B rules, when all is considered, having been in IT 20+ years and seeing layoffs, outsourcing, poor management decisions, and all of the above. If one goes to India, you will find many households are missing the young adults, parents stayed behind, they left for America. Nowadays all the tech centers and jobs are in India, more are coming, better than in the 80s/90s, so more are staying and happy working locally, but due to large young population it’s very competitive and also so many youngsters still wish to come to America. We have couple nephews in colleges in USA, both parents paying for their expensive out of state tuition, a bit of a gamble. it will be interesting to see their options given the current job market and disappearing jobs in US. they will go back to India as needed. Couple others finished their schooling and got jobs in India and are happy there. And yes unfortunately the wait is long to sponsor their immediate family from India, my spouse was able to sponsor mom, but siblings would take too long at this point. Having said all that, H1B should mostly be eliminated and the companies that want to “save money” can take their centers to countries of choice and deal with the consequences, but don’t bring extra people to USA under false pretenses.

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Post ID: @12n+1k86k6d7q

@12k If people want to believe they’re losing their jobs because of H-1B workers and that belief makes them feel better, you won’t be able to convince them otherwise, no matter how hard you try. BD has 75,000 employees and fewer than 400 active H-1B holders. I wish people could see the real issue, but hatred blinds us all.

Meanwhile, leadership ( call them dealership of offshoring) is sitting back with popcorn, monitoring this post and laughing at all of us.

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Post ID: @12m+1k86k6d7q

@11b
BD might not be the first company they are working in, so there is a high chance their previous employer also filed GC and hence their spouses got EAD. If you were a legit hiring manager, you would know the timeline for PERM filing. BD takes minimum 6 months to file and then it takes 18-24 months to get approved. Starting from scratch, it will be 3 years before their spouses get EAD and if someone is employable in tech after 3 years of sabbatical, they probably have the skill that is in demand.

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Post ID: @12k+1k86k6d7q

Bd leadership will like this thread, it seems blame has been shifted to H1B from their incompetence 😝😂. Good job folks

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Post ID: @12f+1k86k6d7q

@12b data doesn’t support that claim, though I
am all for restricting H1B misuse and increase the min salary at least by $20K.

Indians stay on H1B, because green card line is very long for them. During the same time, a Pakistani, Nepali or anyone else, get their GC, becomes citizen and start bringing other family members. There are around 600-700K total H1B right now in the US, and majority of them are India’s, because others get GC within 6 months whereas Indians on an average wait 12-15 years. Once again, H1B kids don’t get job authorization no matter what. If H1B would be that big, you would see at least 5% Indiana in the US. Request you to check data.

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Post ID: @12e+1k86k6d7q

@118 other poster had valid points, I think the point was that additional eventual workers are being unnecessarily brought into US on the H1B visa. There is plenty of talent here in US if companies wanted to truly hire local. H1B is a scam and has been misused and importing average talent at best majority of time. So in this case the H1B visa holder, their spouse that will likely get a job eventually, and their kids when they get older. All while many of us watch as these highly paid IT/other jobs get depleted. These are not low income or average jobs, These are highly paid jobs that are now harder to come across and have more people vying for as we all try to support our families. H1B visa for truly needed resources and industries is another story. Ron Hira is a good resource, professor, to follow for his research and expertise on this subject.

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Post ID: @12b+1k86k6d7q

Mixing couple topics on here. H1B is one issue, layoffs due to outsourcing another. So yes we trained foreigners in other countries, typically India for now, and then local workers in US (citizens/other/ foreigners/h1b) get laid off. Has been happening for decades at various companies. I was laid off from BD just after a year there. I knew BD had a history of couple layoffs per year, so I was pre warned. But what I found disturbing was the amount of covert bullying and sabotage on team as longer termed employees wanted to make sure they would not be laid off next.

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Post ID: @128+1k86k6d7q

@118

I’m a hiring manager and we pay for GC’s all the time and I’ve had a few H1B’s under me who’s spouse is also working on an EAD (also in tech) within 12-18 months.

Also, BD is NOT an IT company. We are a medical device company.

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Post ID: @11b+1k86k6d7q

@10k

You should research before posting sh**it online. H1B spouse can only work if their GC application is approved. Big IT companies don’t file GC in most cases, even if they file
It takes 3-5 years before spouse gets work authorization. Kids never get EAD. Meanwhile people from countries except India and China get their GC via lottery or OPT. H1B is only 0.2% of US workforce, if you think that is the reason for layoff, then joke is on you 😝

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Post ID: @118+1k86k6d7q

@sa I am also an Asian- American, let's be clear. A vast majority of H1 is not subject to the limit for example non-profits such as academic and hospital settings. Also, the h1 limit is for the primary visa holder but green cards are issued on a family basis. That is, a H1B visa holder also brings in an additional employment seeking person through their spouse and also future through children.

I have had the fortune of interacting with many on H1B and I don't see the need for this visa for a company like BD. Look through h1b data that is publicly available and let me know if you think we can't get candidates for the salary and levels listed.

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Post ID: @10k+1k86k6d7q

@km

Data can’t satisfy certain section, they just don’t want anyone who doesn’t look like them to get any success.

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Post ID: @104+1k86k6d7q

@eh I’m an Indian-American who left BD quite some time ago, but I really appreciate your thoughtful and well-researched insights. The recent wave of outrage against Indians does seem somewhat orchestrated, though I admit it has successfully drawn public attention.

Here are some of the reasons:
1) Immigration lawyers often benefit from the backlog faced by Indian applicants. Every renewal means more fees — often around $5,000 to $7,000 per H1B every three years. Personally, it took me 13 years to finally receive my green card, I did my bachelors from top school in India followed by masters from one of the prestigious college in the US.

2) Several foreign interest groups stand to lose influence if the employment-based green card system moves away from the birth-country quota, e.g. Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc.

3) Even major tech companies lobby to keep the quota in place, as it helps them retain a more “captive” workforce.

Although the U.S. issues around 1.2 million green cards annually, certain paid influencers, bots and lobbying groups have managed to convince many people that the 70% of 85,000 H1B visas are the real issue. The narrative deserves a closer look. People who get GC within 6 months of coming to us, also bring others through chain migration, H1Bs can't do that.

I believe individuals ought to cultivate the habit of using advanced AI platforms—such as ChatGPT, Perplexity, Grok, and Gemini—to engage in thorough research before crystallizing their opinions, rather than uncritically absorbing narratives propagated by networks like Fox or CNN.

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Post ID: @sa+1k86k6d7q

@k2
It seems our Math Olympiad team is in crisis — too many brilliant minds solving problems too well! Clearly, the only logical explanation is that immigrants are “changing the culture.” Should we form a committee to investigate how “success” became suspicious? Or maybe introduce a DEI quota for mediocrity, just to balance things out?

Let’s compare the scores from the top and the bottom over the years in the given link. If the names at the top sound too foreign, well, that’s obviously proof of foul play… right? Or maybe, just maybe, talent doesn’t need a ethnicity.

https://www.imo-official.org/country_individual_r.aspx?code=USA

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Post ID: @km+1k86k6d7q

@k2
I agree with your point. Recently, I opened a position in an emerging technology area, and while the role offered a strong compensation package, I noticed that the majority of applicants came from Indian or other non-white backgrounds. As a hiring manager, my goal is always to find the most qualified candidate who can contribute to our team’s success. So, what should I do? Prefer race over merit?

That observation raised some broader questions for me. Although individuals of Indian descent make up a relatively small percentage of the U.S. population ( <2%), they are significantly represented in the IT sector. I’m curious about what factors might be contributing to the lower representation of Black and Hispanic professionals in technology roles.

With so many free learning resources available online, such as those on YouTube and other platforms, opportunities for self-directed education are more accessible than ever. Perhaps cultural perceptions toward career paths or expectations around employment could be influencing these trends. It’s worth reflecting on some of the tough conversations that Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon have tried to provoke, even if we don’t necessarily agree with the framing, to understand the underlying issues better.

For me personally, I would rather prefer to get invitation for Diwali party than make New York look like London, agree?

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Post ID: @ke+1k86k6d7q

But Americans do not want this culture change, that's why Trump is in the office... I did not vote for him but I do understand why people do. I'd bet big money that every job that 70% replaced created one vote for Trump.

That said, cultural integration challenges are real. If 70% of an IT department in another country is Indian-origin, the workplace culture inevitably shifts. That can create discomfort or alienation for others. This isn’t necessarily intentional discrimination — it’s a byproduct of scale and concentration.

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Post ID: @k2+1k86k6d7q

@eh such a brilliant piece of thought, balanced , nuanced and not attacking anyone.

However, let’s keep this site only for layoff related discussion. Thank you for your attention to this matter 😝😉

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Post ID: @gt+1k86k6d7q

@eb BD has a white CEO, CFO , black CIO and doing horrible. Many companies with Indian CEO doing exactly opposite. BD has no manufacturing in India and less than 2% work force is of Indian origin. But, somehow “Offshoring” is the problem! We need to be honest about the issues, otherwise we will never find solutions. Indian, white, Mexican —irrespective of race, BD’s leadership is horrible, and that’s the core issue.

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Post ID: @fj+1k86k6d7q

Predictable and very ridiculous brigading of this thread

  • everything gets outsourced to the same place (viva la diversity)
  • as is tradition, everything gets sh---y and worse than ever
  • we are winning saars!

It's so comical, everyone knows.

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Post ID: @ff+1k86k6d7q

@ec as long they are on visa, we are. Most Indians, who pay social security tax, will never get any benefit as they will go back home as GC line for them is too long.

You will be surprised to know how US universities subsidise education for people from some countries( not India). But,
coordinated hate against Indians made you feel different.

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Post ID: @eq+1k86k6d7q

@eb I will upvote because you made several fair observations, especially about how opportunities to “learn by doing” have shifted over time. The IT industry has gone through a major transformation — what used to require being physically on-site in a corporate environment can now be learned and practiced remotely. The accessibility of cloud platforms, open-source tools, and online learning (through YouTube, Coursera, Udemy, etc.) means that people anywhere can skill up much faster than in the late 90s or early 2000s.

From an Indian context, the rise of offshoring wasn’t simply about “cheap labor.” In the 1990s and 2000s, India built a massive ecosystem around IT education, engineering, and service delivery — with institutes like IITs, NITs, Infosys training centers, and later, private universities tailoring programs specifically for global IT services. Combine that with an English-speaking, young population and the time-zone advantage, and India became the default hub for global IT outsourcing. This was a mix of policy, scale, and early-mover advantage, not just cost.

If you think offshoring is all about saving money, here’s a reality check: most offshore developers charge somewhere between $25 and $80 an hour. Even at the low end, that’s around $50K a year. So cost alone isn’t really the advantage anymore. Let’s be honest — plenty of talented freshers in the U.S. would happily take a $50K remote role if that opportunity existed.

Now, about the concern of dominance or discrimination — this is a nuanced issue. India’s IT workforce is indeed large and visible globally, which can make it seem like other nationalities or groups are being crowded out. But from an Indian point of view, many professionals are just seizing the global opportunities made available by market forces. They often work extremely hard to compete internationally, pass visa hurdles, and adapt to foreign corporate cultures — which isn’t easy either.
Did you know the U.S. gives out 50,000 Diversity Green Cards every year — no job test, no eligibility hoops, just pure lottery magic?

But here’s the plot twist: Indians can’t even apply. Meanwhile, someone from Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, or Nepal can win it — and if they happen to look Indian, well…
And then, thanks to chain migration, the lucky winner can bring the whole squad — family edition unlocked!

I’ll be honest — Indians are loud when it comes to celebrating. Doesn’t matter if it’s Diwali or cricket, they’ll make sure the entire neighborhood knows who’s winning (spoiler: it’s India).

But here’s the thing — they’re loud about joy, not judgment. I’ve never heard an Indian say, “Hey, your God’s false, try mine instead.” Nope. They’ll just hand you sweets, light a lamp, and make you dance before you know what’s happening.

This year alone, I’ve been to three Diwali parties, and every single one felt like a family reunion I didn’t know I had. And get this — come Christmas, I get more invites from my Indian (mostly Hindu) friends than from my Christian ones.

So yeah, Indians don’t just love festivals — they enjoy them. Loudly. Proudly. And unapologetically.

That said, cultural integration challenges are real. If 70% of an IT department in another country is Indian-origin, the workplace culture inevitably shifts. That can create discomfort or alienation for others. This isn’t necessarily intentional discrimination — it’s a byproduct of scale and concentration.

India’s IT service industry matured first and scaled fastest. Other countries are catching up — Vietnam, the Philippines, Eastern Europe, and parts of Africa are now emerging as alternatives. But India has built a 25-year head start.

Finally, the point about leadership and opportunity design is crucial. Instead of blaming workers — Indian or otherwise — we should look at how corporate and policy decisions shape opportunity pipelines. If early-stage IT or system roles are all offshored, local graduates in Western countries do lose those “hands-on” learning chances. That’s a structural issue, not an ethnic one.

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Post ID: @eh+1k86k6d7q

Why are we taxing widgets and brooms but we are not taxing imported labor?

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Post ID: @ec+1k86k6d7q

@e9 I did downvote it, and here is why. I started my career in the late 90s as a junior IT consultant, straight from school. I was put on an SAP implementation project and was given the task of manually testing the system. You needed analytical skills and a bit of a tech background, but not much. Within three years I was running a team of four doing similar work, then I moved into system design, then became a manager, and things followed from there.

Had I not been given that first opportunity, I would not have made it in this career that I have right now. You cannot study this in school, and a year of hands-on experience with SAP is worth ten years of learning about it from books.

Now, because these roles are being outsourced overseas, our kids really do not get a chance to learn the things you need in order to become a professional in this field. So it is not about us being better than someone else (or vice versa), it is about opportunity. Folks overseas spend three years doing exactly what I did back then, but offshore, and once they reach a more senior level we want them onshore, but the talent is overseas. So we hire from overseas.

Another problem here is defined by scale - India ends up taking about 70 percent of the visas simply because of scale. What this means is that, given enough time, you will have 70 percent of people in IT departments across the country being Indian. Practices are a bit different in India, and culture is different, so that culture propagates in IT departments across the country. Then you have a situation where 30 percent of folks who are non-Indian are trying to operate in an Indian-led culture, and it is often difficult. A question arises: why do I need to adapt to a foreign culture when I am in my own country. It would be realistic to expect that a person in this position would feel betrayed by whoever came up with the system and by the folks who designed it.

Hope this helps.

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