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Those familiar enough with cloud, is OCI comparable, technically, with other IAAS providers?

Taking market share aside and just judging by merit of technology, is OCI technically on par or better than any of the Azure, AWS or google cloud? Ignoring the PAAS and SAAS offerings, that is.

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ORACLE cloud will not get picked by anyone who has no investment in oracle products already. That is as far as I hear from people who are doing consultancy around the subject. Most companies go with options like AWS, Google Cloud, Azure and for on premise, openshift. Even Google cloud is less a choice for enterprise business like insurance, banks, etc and it is Azure, AWS and OpenShift (pivotal is also a contender for on premise) the list they have to do POC and choose from.

Anyone who is moving to oracle cloud is more likely to be an already existing customer of ORACLE, and even between those, not all of them pick ORACLE cloud and instead they are taking their time to cut dependency on ORACLE products (weblogic, timesTen, coherence) and move to alternatives before trying cloud.

ORACLE has sh-- load of customers, a lot of customers, if those customers stay loyal to oracle and choose oracle cloud (which is less likely that they will except for oracle database) oracle will be good. But if the move away from ORACLE products as strong and real as I hear from consultant there will be problems.

I do not have any idea about SAAS, so the above is excluding SAAS.

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Post ID: @2wxi+Z6UWeov

"all I have to do is telling Alexa to go fix it"

Hahahahahahaha this guy wants to manage a Production Database environment through Alexa... talk about living in the land of hopes and dreams....

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Post ID: @1itx+Z6UWeov

I hope the pie is big enough and there is enough unclaimed percentage left for oracle to survive the cloud move.

I hear more and more companies trying to get off oracle DB and Coherence in fintech. Whether they manage or not is another story but the fact that they are trying is telling on incoming revenue increase for the cash cow.

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Post ID: @1wof+Z6UWeov

You’re asking to rate geo metro with a rolls Royce phantom

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Post ID: @1ell+Z6UWeov

I left Oracle about two months ago and working for an SI. I was surprised to hear from a team that recently released an application on OCI that it’s pretty good in terms of performance. They found some bugs in the implementation of Kubernetes but didn’t bother opening an SR since they know how bad Oracle support is. They also said that the management tools provided are lacking behind AWS and Azure.

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Post ID: @1evz+Z6UWeov

Where else can you get baremetal instances ? AWS started introducing them much later than OCI, so OCI obviously have 10 years to catch up if you believe anything you read here.

Everything else is on par with AWS in terms of performance and reliability.

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Post ID: @1ugz+Z6UWeov

Folks, its NOT about technology.

Oracle is 10 years behind the market but that's not why Oracle cloud will never be a profitable business for Oracle.

The problem is TRUST.

Customers don't trust Oracle owning their data and apps.

Any commercial dispute, Oracle can shut down your business.

On-premises, the most Oracle can do is stop support.

In cloud, they control your access to systems and your own data.

No customer who knows Oracle will do this.

Some will because they have not dealt with Oracle but most will never do that.

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Post ID: @1fie+Z6UWeov

OCI is just better than OCIC.

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Post ID: @1ptc+Z6UWeov

Everyone here is missing the obvious.

It doesn't have to beat the competitors. There's enough pie for everyone; it's just slowly getting bigger slices.

At any rate, Oracle has deep pockets and can hire and catch-up. It will take some doing and a few re-calibrations along the way.

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Post ID: @vfr+Z6UWeov

OCI is actually pretty good at what it does. However what it does is very limited and mostly focused around VM and Oracle DB.

AWS and Azure have hundreds of services and are constantly releasing new ones. They are years ahead in ML and AI. All of their developers are working on cloud.

They are much larger and they are growing much faster. Last quarter AWS grew faster than the market despite being the biggest, while Oracle was flat with a tiny fraction of the marketshare

There is no way OCI can catchup.

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Post ID: @luy+Z6UWeov

Even if OCI was every bit the equal of Azure or AWS (it's not for reasons already so very well covered), do you really think any customer would willingly go to OCI when you consider how badly Oracle has treated its customers for the last 10 years?

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Post ID: @euv+Z6UWeov

OCI, while being much better than that Classic garbage is still way behind competitors and will not catch up given the meager resources applied to development. Oracle started too late to Cloud, did it poorly, burned its customers along the way and has no defined path to recover.

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Post ID: @zdp+Z6UWeov

OCI beats everything. It does everything autonomously. All you have to do is to tell Alexa to spin up a VM with Oracle Database that runs itself. AWS still light years from that even though they own Alexa. The last time my Oracle crashed, all I have to do is telling Alexa to go fix it. Only time, it needs my input is at the beginning where Alexa asked if I can confirm the commit. It is that easy. Though, you need to pay for Echo dot. So, yeah. OCI better obviously.

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Post ID: @oao+Z6UWeov

It wasn't when I left. The problem is not the service itself (we're talking about VMs, after all), but all the infrastructure around it, especially when it comes to networking. Oracle was unable to provide something as basic as a VPC. Maybe it's been added now, but they're trying to catch up on a decade of investment by AWS, and those limitations soon become apparent when customers start having serious conversations about moving complex environments to the cloud.

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Post ID: @bth+Z6UWeov

LOL no. OCI is dead last when it comes to Azure, AWS and GCP. They'll never come close, no matter how hard they try to convince themselves they can.

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