Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Thanks, @YdimJFb-1emo , #gold #advice on #movingforward

You are working for the company for a reason. If the reasons don’t hold good in either direction, it’s time to move on....

Nobody has time just because they are laid off. Unlike other decent companies laying off, there is no post career support, resume support or other resources. People in the US lose benefits next day, there is no accountability. Let’s be honest, everyone I know who is with the company are looking, or stuck due to visa issues. Visited a oracle campus and most remaining employees were the gray haired ones who want to leave but can’t get another full time offer due to age ism. Or the foreign h1 or b1 visas.

why keep wasting your time here.

they have lots of time now that they are laid off.

'loyalty' is the word that your manager can ask you

loyalty is not the word that you can even ask for Oracle

why keep wasting your time here.

The point (DUH) is that of course there are other employers that are hiring, that value you, that will give you raises and pay for vacation days - but it's NOT ORACLE. If you value those things, then leave while it's your choice - don't wait for a rif. Go find a better job on your terms, Oracle isn't changing and if you're waiting around for SC to get a heart or MH to get a brain - then you'd better stand in line to get your turn with the wizard.

I left Oracle and hardly gave a 2 week notice and the manager was clearly disappointed. I'm certain they would have no issue letting me go with zero notice. At will employment.

Did SC or MH ask you for your loyalty? Did you get an employment agreement that states you will be compensated or promoted or have a lifetime job at Oracle? If you didn't, then your manager is way out of line to ask you for loyalty when the company has none and has no legal obligation to offer you anything except a paycheck for a predefined amount. No raises, no bonuses, no warm and fuzzy hand holding through your most trying times in your career - that's what you can expect from Oracle.

Stable? who believes a job at O is "stable" ? You should rethink your definition and if that's your criteria, then you're in the wrong company. There's no stability here and that should be obvious from the history of acquisitions and rif's. Oracle didn't hire your family or agree to pay your mortgage - they hired you as an individual and when they don't need you, you'll be rif'd. Accept the reality of how this company does business and either deal with it or leave. Crying about it won't change the management or the way they run the business. Remember, it's about $$ and shareholders only - not you as an employee.

Yes it is true company does not owe employees. But they need to have the foresight to lay-off hordes and hordes of sr director and up level people with fat pay checks. There is just too much fat heavy Management in every business unit. They need to clean that up first. Instead they continue to make bad decisions.

" and no employees are loyal to a company."

Tell that to the people laid off that had 10-20 years in, OP.

That may be your OPINION but there are people out there that prefer to remain in a stable job in a stable company because they have families to support and mortgages and loans to pay.

But I 100% agree that Oracle does not give a sh!t about their employees.

These are not emotional decisions. The company is paying you for a reason. You are working for the company for a reason. If the reasons don’t hold good in either direction, it’s time to move on. This is not a ‘till death do us part’ kind of a situation.

If you are good at what you do, and are not valued at your company, then you need to contemplate things a bit. Interview outside, make sure that you are as good as you think. Maybe you got a bit rusty , get yourself sharp again. Then see if you get a better job, and check if you company would meet/counter that offer to keep you. You’ll know if they really value you. You may realize that it’s jot you, but the company may not have any work for you - either way you make a call.

Maybe you suspect that you are not as good as the talent pool. If you suspect this, get training, get a few interviews or even take a few tests to evaluate yourself. Remember there is no commitment to going for an interview. What’s the worst that could happen ? Either way get yourself in shape that you are an employable skilled resource.

If you suspect that you are behind in skills than the talent pool and you are being loyal to your company, well... why should the company pay for someone, who is admittedly loyal, but other companies won’t risk hiring ? Isn’t it better for your company to fire you or rif you and open up the position to hire a sharper resource.

Guys there is no virtue in getting complacent and calling yourself loyal. Get over it, make sure you are on top of your game, that’s the best you can do for yourself and only you are responsible for that .

Now a lay-off is a tough pill to swallow. You feel undervalued and slighted, or cast away. It’s a shock and you worry about your savings and bills. You worry about visas if you are on those. Panic does not help. Be pragmatic. Get cracking at your interview skills. Solve problems and practice your introduction spiel.

It’s easy to blame people and wallow in your misfortune, but realize that hanging out in these forums are not doing anything positive for your career. If you suspect that the future for your product is not great, then take a tough look at your choices. The best ones are not usually the easy ones.

Do what you think you need to do, but realize that business, weather, world events can all impact your employment and when it does, it’s up to you make sure you keep your skills sharp and relevant.

Lier:

1) Lots of companies are doubling their employees due to better marketing.

2) There are indeed managers ask for 'loyalty'.

You tell me the 'loyalty' is sh--, company is sh--.

I disagree.