If Aero engineering is targetted to book 48hrs per week, why are holidays preloaded as 8hrs still and not 9.6hrs in TWB? Am I missing something ....more than just a screw b/c I work for this company?
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When they hire new people they say, "You don't ever have to work OT. We support family and work-life balance." Time goes by and bam,"you need to go over 40 hours". Where does it say that in us signing to work there?!?! You don't do anything extra working over 40 hours, literally you just stretch out whatever you are doing, no difference. All they care about is the numbers. That's it. What a joke.
I was told EEI was going to be 1.5 for Aero
-gxtq is absolutely right. There is no expectation of appropriate use of time, compulsion to produce, or any type of monitoring of work being done on unpaid OT. It runs up the project costs, is passed onto the unwitting customer and ultimately results in metrics showing how much cheaper that job can be done overseas with cheaper labor, and fewer US workers. Win, Win, Win. Unless you're the poor sap that just missed your kid's birthday party and will be rewarded with being walked out to your car in a few months.
So glad after 33 years, I walked away and Early Retired.
I don't think it really matters if you are actually working the mandated OT. What matters is that you charge the time into the time charging system. Leadership doesn't care about people getting work done, all they care about is their metrics. They probably have a weekly skype call where they pat themselves on the back for improving the EEI metric, meanwhile some engineer is giving an emotional manifesto to their cubicle neighbor about how their cat really IS their closest friend in life, using up someone's charge number because they were told to stay at work an extra hour.
Are people actually doing OT?
Well its Engineer's Week lunch today. Enjoy it . Next week manager will tell you , "ok party over. Now bend over . Here comes 15% free OT. Enjoy. "
-bccn It's not that we're afraid of the name, it is that we are familiar with the rules of this site. Comments with names are eventually deleted.
Why is everybody afraid to say John Ellis? He thinks a lot of himself but he’s not Lord Voldemort. He’s just another numbers guy wonder boy who got anointed as a VP at an early age. I’m really glad I left last year and got a better job with a real company. I was a TM having to enforce that EEI lunacy at an Aero site. We were constantly told to look for people who were less than 1.1 EEI and to look for PIP candidates (usually so they could be the same people). Yes, the PIP quota does exist - nothing I’ve seen in writing - all word of mouth.
Funny thing though is that there appear to be senior TMs that won’t enforce the EEI and disregard the PIP quota. So some other Senior TMs appear eager to enforce the PIP and EEI nonsense to compensate for those that won’t. Everybody in management wants to avoid catching Mr. Ellis’ attention unless it’s winning the E-week competition or something stupid like that.
Also, it really s---s having to tell your reports to work 10% overtime unpaid or they’ll get shafted when there’s no work.
-3dzm What site are you at? I'm assuming it is one of the mechanical because in Aero under electronic solutions the OT pseudonym EEI (engineering efficiency index) is measured weekly by individual. JE talks about it all of the time. He thinks people who aren't putting in extra time every week are uninspired (lazy).
-3dzm - They not want to spoil the Engineers' Week. I know people in our Aero plant (Glendale Space) . Yes there is the 10% OT expectation. old guys getting Pip'd. The 15% is coming down from Ellias .
I say BS, no one in my building knows anything about the OT...we actually were told going from 10% to zero....aero engineering
@Xz0Nei5-2rty, I think that means your group will have RIF to rationalize (cut) the workforce to achieve the new EEI target.
Our SBE is in the process of SERIOUS budget cuts. Having EEI > 1.0 makes no sense if your projects are getting defunded. Unless they want the extra 8 hours spent on indirect activities such as training, which is worthless.
It’s only legal to pay ‘exempt’ employees salaries if the meet certain criteria as defined by federal or state law.... a lot of states might technically make an employee non-exempt what Honeywell calls exempt.
I wonder how this plays out with government contracts. Recall that one of the main reasons for tracking Engineering time to different projects is that you have to have uniform standards for both government and non-government activity including overhead activity. BTW - it is legal to require salaried employee to "work" more than 40 hours a week.
It’s kind of offensive to require someone to work 20% extra with no overtime and if you refuse, you might be doing damage to your career. I’m just an individual contributor, but I can’t imagine what it would be like to be a project manager that has to deal with people bsing you to get extra hours or purposely fluffing their estimates by 120%. Seems like a number called an ‘efficiency index’ is actually rather inefficient. Nice work guys.
It appears the troops in Glendale are being withheld the news of the OT increase because management does not want to spoil Engineer's Week next week. I was told of the OT increase by my manager who is offsite. Engineers in other groups at the plant have not been informed yet.
What they are doing should be illegal and possibly is since they are redefining the work week. They just didn't get burn by a high profile lawsuit yet.
Can we get 8hrs of WFH for these extra 8hrs? Need the job cause I have a family and can’t be away for the 12hrs each day 5 days a week like we now have to be b/c of my family requirements. Justification to get new job?
Here's one too. There are indirect salary positions at Honeywell to include Engineering. These employees do not enter labor each week, They can't be measured for EEI. Different treatment? Another one, EEI for direct reports cannot be documented within HPD except manager/directors, etc.; a fact. We just need a few employees to press the issue and it will go away.