Seems like VPs/directors/managers never get laid off.
Soon Oracle will be made only of useless layers of those expensive people and a few underpaid employees in India.
I think they would lay off every underling before they would layoff anyone in the management. Nobody ever lays off their buddies. Not good business sense to do it that way, but there is no business sense at Oracle, only cronyism.
no body was laid off. what is the rumor? will h1s be laid off? oracle america or oracle india.
I'm a principal software engineer making 140K
Gee, why wait that long and keep paying them? Makes no sense
Disappointed. I wanted a package before the holidays.
Mass layoffs? I dunno. Oracle has a gigantic product portfolio which they can chip away at slowly, or promote as needed. There is a lot of flea market type stuff they could unload or just cancel. What could really eff them up, not to mention the entire industry? A recession or economic crash.
post from @WxZV62R-2amr is spot on and outlines Oracle's decline. Bad product decisions, coupled with boneheaded so called "Sales and sales consulting" transformation has left Oracle with a bad product and inexperienced enterprise sellers. Interestingly the product decisions badness was presided over by the very same TK who is now at Google. Good luck Google !.
Isn't Oracle "leadership at VP, Sir Director, Director" an oxymoron?
It's funny to see angry people posting incoming layoffs day by day and month by month and nothing happens every time. Cloud is doing great in many areas as I know of, orders are lining up, cheers!
If you are really that stupid, you deserve to stay in Sears/Oracle. Ride the ship all the way down, see how it goes.
It's funny to see the feeble attempts by id--ts that are trying to pretend that everything is really, really great.
These are the facts: from @TL6OCBJ
Just the Facts
The facts seem to be straight-forward:
Oracle started extremely late to the cloud. Later than all the other cloud players.
Oracle was made up primarily of employees who know absolutely nothing about web development and cloud applications.
Oracle spent less money on cloud development and expansion than every other cloud player.
Oracle development outside of the database area was poor to start with, due to years of an acquisition strategy that caused good developers to flee the company and caused internal struggles between acquired company camps.
TKs org has severely deteriorated, due to a top-down management style that does not allow issues to be raised and dealt with. It is an organization filled with incompetent yes-men managers who expect the developers at the bottom to keep their mouths shut and be yes-men too. The result is an unbelievably incompetent and corrupt development organization that cannot create even on-prem software, let alone cloud software. Good developers FLEE organizations like this.
Because of the incompetence and corruption in development, cloud applications were poor.
Instead of dealing with actual problems, multiple cloud platforms were created, wasting resources.
The "cloud" apps were poor and full of bugs. They were not integrated with each other since they were developed by different groups working against each other to grab their own territory. Each group working to make sure the other groups fail, to insure their own jobs.
Salespeople were forced to try to sell the "cloud".
Customers did not want to buy because of the problems with the cloud software (above).
Pressure and incompetence at the top of the company caused salespeople to use tactics to pressure customers to purchase software. These tactics included underhanded audits of customers to extract millions of dollars from them.
Since the customers were not interested in Oracle's cloud, the management came up with a strategy of trying to force the customers to use it by giving them cloud credits in place of paying millions of dollars to Oracle for audit violations.
The customers were not interested in using the cloud credits.
The customer success group was created to force customers to use their cloud credits.
That didn't work, so some of the CSMs logged in AS customers and faked the use of the cloud credits.
The upper level management sat there and watched this all happen, as they saw the cloud revenue die to the point where they could not publish the numbers openly.
Somewhere along the way, MH had a "great" idea, that the problem had something to do with the expensive sales force. Since he was too stupid to know anything about how the software was created and the fact that it was complete c-ap, he decided to decimate the sales force and replace them with cheap inexperienced kids who have no idea what they are doing.
Since the software is complete c-ap and the customers are really p-ss-d off, removing sales people will not help, it will simply cause sales to come to a complete standstill.
The reality is that the problem is development, primarily with the development management who all cover for each other. Layers and layers of expensive clueless people who's only "job" is to say "yes" to the incompetent manager above them.
Anyone in Oracle management who wants to know what happened should read this layoff site. All of these problems have been explained here.
But, that would involve the top-level management listening to input from people below them who know what is going on. They can't do that, that would show weakness, and an admission that they actually need information about what is going on to make decisions. Instead they prefer to pretend they know what they are doing.
Consequently, there will be no recovery for Oracle any time soon, possibly never.
Nothing is going to magically change, the problems are too ingrained in Oracle culture.
Ship is going down, get out now while you still can maintain some kind of dignity.
I expect Q2 will be bad also. TK just left, has to be major reorg coming up.
It's funny to see angry people posting incoming layoffs day by day and month by month and nothing happens every time. Cloud is doing great in many areas as I know of, orders are lining up, cheers!
The root issue is not director but whole management model of Oracle esp. for consulting, which has given scope for corruption, supporting loyalists rather technical resources based on performances. The whole appraisal system is farce as well.
This is the problem in engineering as well. Corrupt and incompetent management in charge who want only loyalty from id--ts that work for them. Good people have been attacked and forced out of the company. This is the real reason why Oracle cannot possibly succeed. This will not be addressed, because the corrupt management would have to remove themselves and that will never happen. In engineering, the managers point fingers at developers and sabotage them so that they can place the blame there. All the management is doing the same thing in my area. They take no responsibility for anything and the management above them allows them to get away with that. So, they lay off the developers instead of the corrupt management. It's completely sickening. Oracle cannot survive this.
Directors simply manage resources, doing HR jobs; replacing experienced resources with cheap ones to show margins in desperate moves. The root issue is not director but whole management model of Oracle esp. for consulting, which has given scope for corruption, supporting loyalists rather technical resources based on performances. The whole appraisal system is farce as well.
speculate much?
@vou - or 2
What is the contribution made by the VP, Sr Director and Director. Most of the Director at IDC not all are just doing the HR work and there technical contribution is zero. They only know how to prepare PPT based on the data provided by the reporties when some one from HQ visit IDC. This work can even be done by the data entry operator. I have not seen any one come up with innovative idea to improve product, or improve the work. There contribution is less then the MTS.
some places have layers and layers of managers busy making up things and fouling people around. some barely keep their mouths closed not to show everyone how hateful they are. it's a wonder people like this are allowed to enter premises, let along they are payed for the damage they do.
What makes u think that leadership at VP, Sir Director, Director will be trimmed?
Should cut down one CEO