Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

@1oyq Yes but you don't have the story straight. Both China and HON leadership keeping it hush hush to safe face.

Do you think M*GA slogan was US only thing? Every country with money wants jobs for their citizens in addition to buying aero and defense products.

Glabalization is good, but has downside of reduced stability for jobs that can be done cheaper elsewhere. US needs training and placement programs for those displaced by trade deals and normal outsourcing.

Look no further than India making Apple manufacture in India, China forcing local partnera, Saudis asking for jobs in their country. We are going to be more and more nationalistic as jobs get scarce and people get educated world over.

So, you ain't seen nothing yet. So, save up, get new skills, hold govt accountable to job retraining.

Nothing new. Years ago management's nefarious plans to hire preferentially in only 'low cost' regions popped out on a printer, all nicely color highlighted. This made the rounds but some probably thought that their jobs were safe. Another aspect of this 'chuck the older workers' strategy relates to healthcare. Remember that HON is self insured. They want to shed the medical liabilities that come with old age. Maybe if we had single payer socialized medicine, like Canada, we'd have been better off? Anyway, that's the reality as I see it.

"And as anyone with a clue knows....you get what you pay for with low-cost regions."

That doesn't translate all the time. There are more shoddy workers in the US at Honeywell than the rest of the world added together.

All you hear and see is folks whining about jobs moving and leaders get more money. Blah blah. Boo hoo. Spend more time doing quality work and less time beating one off whilst trying to find out where the Czech Republic is on a map and maybe jobs would stay in the US. Or at least that's what President Donnie told you all.

You all come on the boards and cry like little school girls, and that's being unfair to school girls who probably do more work and have a better future.

Don't get me wrong, there is some utter garbage being done outside the US, but just as much inside it as well.

I was rif’d in March and was sent the demographics of the rif. 90% were over 50. The ten percent remaining, only 1 was 39, all the rest were late 40’s.

Total amount was under 100 so they didn’t have to file a WARN notice with the government. Sneaky bastards they are.

The new RIF strategy accomplishes one other objective. It allows older workers to be exited with less chance of a lawsuit. With continuous small department RIFs throughout the year, there isn't a long list with all the s-x/age information of the RIF'ed individuals that's given to the impacted employees.

what are those HUBS? can someone provide me the list of HUB cities in US, CANADA, EUROPE, INDIA, Middle east?

Are there not special rules and training available if your job has been exported? Or is this something that also has minimum numbers impacted that H is trying to skate around.

2ufi has hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the approach and it's not just limited to just the US. Any non hub employees will be impacted sooner or later

If you haven’t figured it out yet, let me enlighten you. The new strategy being used (for at least the last 6 months) is to RIF by departments in small numbers and remain below the WARN Act requirements. This does two things - it keeps the extent of the RIFs out of employee view, and keeps it out of the press.

2zlu- the engineering work we receive from emerging markets also has to be fixed by US engineers. The emerging market engineer who can think on his own is a very rare commodity. This is my opinion after 15 years of babysitting Swe and EE. Cheap is cheap.

I am the OP of this although I posted it in another thread. Its not meant to scare people, what I'm trying to do is bring awareness to all US based employees and my hope is that they see what's not so silently going on here... What we have is frog soup, if you're familiar with the analogy. Each year the benefits get worse, the raises are strained, more and more outside workers are brought in and trained....yet I see new Teslas every month in the parking lot at Sky Harbor.... The dipshits running AERO are selling us all out and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The only thing we can do is leave and leave on our own terms; not theirs.

2zlu - the reason we have ITAR restrictions is to reduce the possibility our enemies getting technology or weapons systems we wouldn't want them using against us. if wherever you are has no restrictions then its probably garbage no one cares who gets it.

Also, if what we have seen in China and India is any indication of quality or innovation...no worries. Sell as much of that garbage to China as you can...PLEASE.

LOL

low cost isnt the main driver. real story is localisation of defense business. USA and other traditional defense players are not buying. markets moving to middle east and asia which drives need to move product teams. no longer can you sit in usa with big fat site and sell to just usa and maybe france or britain. now you are selling to saudi and korea. usa locations are a boat anchor of itar restrictions. guidance folks in usa... did you catch that itar free replacements for your products are being designed in EU? no secret. new boxes will outperform usa products in most specs... weight, stability, accuracy. We will be the new guidance COE site inside of three years.

I started babysitting India SW Engineers 15 years ago in India. It has been Honeywell’s dream to move everything to Emerging markets for many years. But, cheap is cheap. MAGA .

Did anyone hear any stories from one China site that accused the APAC ALT team of 'manipulating' conditions in order to meet targets? Had heard that it was a pretty big case that happened in Q1 but kept as 'hush hush' to prevent an outpour of discrimination of the APAC site workers. Moral of story; don't always believe in numbers alone. There are many ways to achieve them depending on whats wrong or right.

And as anyone with a clue knows....you get what you pay for with low-cost regions. I agree with most of what EHU says except less holidays.

China, India and especially Europe have holidays every 5 minutes.

Europe has "bank holidays' not to mention they are on vacation more than a US school teacher....months out of the year it seems.

China seems to have some weird ancestry or communist holiday all of the time

India seems to have a whole host of its the Monkey god celebration, going to celebrate the town my family is from for a month and a bunch of other third world days off.

High growth regions = Low cost regions. Cheaper labor....fewer benefits and holidays. They’ve been talking about it at Aero since Czech transition.