Thread regarding Humana Inc. layoffs

RPD0QUv-kau, Medicare absolutely does not reimburse Humana for Humana at home nor do they pay us extra money to keep people out of the hospital. Humana receives a base rate from Medicare and extra money for certain comorbidities which is why the MRA department is important. We also get the member's premium......

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UH oh. The drinking games has been revived with #blessed.

What is an example of a positive post on a layoff site?

“Just heard I might lose my job. #blessed”

I agree with you below poster that it’s a good idea to do homework / research other companies. I would take most of it with a grain of salt on an anonymous layoff site though, (but if the posts are overwhelmingly negative, it might make me wonder about the culture of the company). Good luck to you!

im in this current layoff and a coworker told me about this website. I was told that people supported each other but I have to say I’m a little overwhelmed at the negativity comments and speculations. It’s hard to weed out the junk. One benefit though since I’m now looking for a better job is checking out the other companies on here is good idea. If I had known about this I site before choosing Humana I would have had second thoughts about applying. I will definitely be check out any others I am considering.

If I were to visit a random company’s layoff board, I would expect to see the posts of frustrated people dealing with the stress of job insecurity. Would I assume everyone who works there is in the same page? No, just the ones worried about job loss. The ones that feel more secure in the careers might be less stressed and less frustrated.

Below poster, I do not think those posts represent all or even the majority of HAH associates. Most I have worked with are caring, kind, reasonable and even-tempered individuals. One should not base one’s opinion of HAH on layoff site posts.

We don’t know how many of the more unreasonable posts are from repeat posters -perhaps they reflect a small minority who feel they need a place to vent frustrations.

@RPD0QUv-1lly Have you read many of the posts on here? It certainly does paint a negative picture of HAH, specifically the associates. There's expressing your feelings, disappointment and even anger about losing your job in a way that preserves ones self respect and dignity. Some folks have communicated those thoughts and feelings in that way here and I do feel badly for them. Others come on here posting vile and disgusting comments and attack other roles or even their own team members and Coaches. Those kinds of comments along with the over abundance of entitled, whining "give me MY severance" , "I want MY early release now" posts do make HAH associates look bad on the whole. No one can blame a RIF'd associate for feeling hurt, unmotivated and wanting for this to be over for them. It's just that as much as we all may not want to admit it, this site for the most part has turned into a shameful spectacle that makes ALL of us look bad. And yes, there are associates from other areas of Humana reading these posts. In fact, CSS associates just started their own string.

@RPD0QUv-igd. Why in the world are you commenting on things you know nothing about? SMH

So you really think the rest of the company looks poorly at HAH because of some posters’ views on a layoff site? That’s silly.

Most of us would have never visited this site if we were not facing layoffs, and most of us just use it to see what rumors are out there, not to step on any soapbox. I find it hard to believe the vast majority of HAH associates are using this site for other purposes, and I would also find it difficult to believe that departments not facing layoffs are spending time on here.

I don't believe they felt poorly of us until the layoffs began. Think about it, there were many more layoffs within Humana in 2017 outside of HAH...they shipped an entire department out of the country. However, we are the ones posting on here and constantly complaining. For people searching for news on Humana layoffs, Google directs them here. They come and see the bitterness, rudeness, squabbling and downright whinning! Yet the other Humana associates who were laid off haven't posted anything. It makes us look terrible to outsiders.

@RPD0QUv-igd I'm curious, if you are not a Humana employee, why are you following our layoffs and commenting?

Why does most of the company think poorly of HAH?

I read this and realize how bad the communication is at HAH. It is delusional to think Aetna wanted to buy us because of HAH. But I can totally see how the leaders there would say that because they are so out of touch with the company. Aetna wanted to expand their ma coverage. They wanted our members, contracts, provider deals, our broad network coverage, our strong market point sales, and overall expertise. It so unbelievable that the staff were told it was because of HAH. It’s a teeny part of Humana. The arrogance ... most of the company has a poor opinion of hah...

Every bit of 'reliable' information posted on this site gets truncated, twisted and dissected to the point it is no longer reliable. I would take this 'reliable' information with a large pinch of salt and worry about it IF it ever becomes real. As we all know, any plan at Humana goes through so many changes it is virtually unrecognizable. So no need to get nasty or get your panties in a twist. Just read, let it register and dismiss. If you can't change it, stop worrying about it.

Aetna wanting Humana for the pharmacy makes more sense. Now I understand why they were pushing HCMRNs so hard to “encourage” the members to use Humana Pharmacy.

EKB aka Ms.Ethics, you’re naive. I’m not an employee of that program or any other “division” of Humana. Have never worked for them. You must be Uber intelligent to interpret my job status and bitterness from an anonymous text message. LMAO #bitterlittleman, #kisses!

@RPD0QUv-kau I'm assuming you were let go hence all your bitterness. What I said was, the person I spoke with didn't know specifics about the future of Humana at Home. I didn't say he had never heard about it. He does not know what direction your division is taking. As he said, the program doesn't have a big impact on the company overall since its so small therefore it's not talked about much where he is. I didnt want to go into detail because someone will inevitably be offended by that statement. Not to mention, he said it really wouldnt be ethical to divulge business plans before they were announced, though in this case he was not aware of anything. That's akin to insider trading. Do you honestly think because someone has stock options that they follow every tiny department with in a company? That is laughable.

Used to think Aetna wanted humana for our program, but someone in another thread said they actually wanted us for our pharmacy, which is why they ended up doing the deal they did

Wow good thing we can do this anonymously because I might be pissing off my family or BFF. @reb I believe you for the most part, living in Louisville I can pretty much discuss with family what is happening with Humana. Point in fact this is why: @ako alias zig...you must have a very distant relationship with family in humana or they just don’t trust you or worst case scenario your upper management contact is living under a rock. How can you/they not know about the telephonic Nursing piece in which Medicare pays Humana to work on keeping members health and at home (not in facilities)? The entire Aetna Humana merger was based on this program. Aetna seriously wanted the business model and willing to pay top dollar to get it. Seriously “higher ups” have stock options which would have been very lucrative had that deal gone through. Tons of money was spent on making this intergration with Aetna and major players didn’t take early retirement for anything other than a dump and bail. This thread is very entertaining. Good luck to those who have enough sense to just move on.

I’m with HAH and it seems like every week I learn of a new program...we are in silos, I know how our program runs, but am unaware if there are pilots, or other things

OP. Is probably correct Care Coaches who will be going into home and facilities Humana is posting frequently

Because I post once I am called out and blamed for other posts? You might be unhinged. I do talk to my friends and family, who by the way are some very high level people here at Humana. Not one has EVER mentioned Humana at Home. Last night I spoke to a close relative, prior to my post to get a feel for things, he is in a position to know things throughout the company. He said he didn't know much at all and if it he did he would not feel comfortable discussing specific business plans in other divisions because it's not really ethical. There are silos whether you choose to acknowledge them or not. Humana is famous for it. Let me guess, you have friends in India you reach out to? It's posts like you're that are giving the Humana at Home associates a bad name. I know about this site because someone I supervised told me about it. I suppose I read it because I am fascinated by some of the posts.

I literally just talk to my friends and family. It's only a silo if you don't talk to others. So I assume watching posts about HAH is entertainment for you? Given you don't work for HAH. Are you the same one chiming in and telling everyone that they are wrong on this site? So there are sh!t stirrers on here. Just telling everyone they are wrong so you can laugh at what transpires. Allow me to educate you along with others. Humana does not operate in silos. We even have departments that are dispersed across the globe. Humana has teams in India. Humana is a big company. Don't underestimate what they plan to do or can do. Don't dismiss others willing to bring forth plans and information that can help others plan for the future. Do be wary of those quick to shut others down.

I can tell you, I have been with Humana for 18 years and didn't know anything about Humana at Home until reading these posts. Most Humana divisions are silos so it isn't really true that others know about the varying departments no matter who you know. I am in KY and in a lower level management role.

You don't have to get rid of telephonic to fold into care plus.....it could still be a piece. Louisville is the main headquarters. Humana has major hubs in multiple states like Texas and Wisconsin. Just because care plus is based out of Louisville does not mean HAH can't be absorbed by them and still have a functioning hub in Florida. Where do you think the execs and management for much of those in Wisconsin are located? Yep Louisville. Those of us in KY have a ton of friends and family that work for Humana and we know a lot about other departments and how Humana is set up because of them. This company is built around remote teams and staying connected virtually. Some need to learn more about Humana before dismissing others.

To add to the points the poster said, the town hall said CMS is looking at reimbursement for non skilled services in the home...I think the OP is partially right, it’s not happening over the next six months, but transition over the next few years

Do you ever notice that when something like this is posted, the OP never comes back? That's what leads one to question the veracity of the news. The home health agency in Texas, previously referred to was a huge money loss for us and we dumped it. However, with the purchase of part of Kindred, remember, we will only own 40% if it goes through pending the lawsuit to stop it. That will take a few years for us to be fully up and running with it, at least 2 years they say. So for us to fold and Care Plus to take over, I would think that is the 5 year plan and not immediate future. I don't think Humana would go to the extent it has in putting together such a large leadership team and restructuring it's exec leadership for just a year or 2. It would be hard to retain exec leaders if that was the case. Anything is possible though! At home reimbursements are larger than telephonic so it is the current wave of the future.

I had a guy on my team who would use the phrase “fake news,” for every layoff rumor, for all of 2017 into 2018. Every single rumor turned out to be true, round after round, but he insisted on repeating that phrase. All the way up until he was RIF’d in this round.

I avoid discrediting any new info right off the bat. You never know if there is a kernel of truth being shared for the longer term plans.

After reading the posts, I can believe this is something that could happen in the future but not near future. I am hoping to be gone by then!

Maybe this has something to do with the rifs and the people who weren’t impacted, what in their backgrounds contributes to the direction humana is going?

Remember at the town hall meeting, we were told humana has two home health agencies, based in TX and FL? What does home health do? Goes into the homes, and we were to.d there’s still a need for telephonic. Humana banded four companies together in December. The job listings for care plus on the career site are pretty straight forward, care plus is a Medicare advantage plan. While the reliable information person may be posting what they were told, it has already been in play for a bit.

This site is hilarious. Someone posts something like this & invariably someone rips into them saying they’re lying or stirring the pot. My favorite were all the “fake news” posters for this round of layoffs. Where are all the fake news posters now? I guess your fake news bit you in the rear. So the rest of stick your head back in the sand until next round if you still have a job & wait for your turn. Rumors of HAH ending coming from higher ups is not a new rumor. Anything is possible.

WF who is over the whole program is in Louisville. I see this happening, may take a couple years, but it’s coming.

Very hard to believe. It seems like someone is always stirring the Humana pot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't all of HAH leadership based in Florida? Why would someone in Louisville even be talking about this? HAH is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of the company overall. I'll agree with what someone else said, it's obvious they are moving to an in home model but I don't believe the OP is sharing truthful information here.

Unfortunately many of our members don't want the intrusion of in home care. It is obvious they are heading towards in home, but the fact that this came from someone high up in Louisville is suspect.

Original poster I believe you thanks for sharing. I’ve seen the care plus job postings. This is not my first time hearing something along this line from a friend at hah. I was told they are moving in the direction of home care and being a one stop shop and eliminating the telephonic portion as they will management their own mbrs telephonically not HCM’s.

Not buying this. Lots of flaws in what has been shared. The biggest flaw is that anyone close enough to a higher up in Louisville, would not be posting on here. A high level exec would not be sharing this info.