Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

You forgot one. No technical training that would benefit your career and enhance your skills. Just training in company processes and you need toothpicks to pry your eyelids open while watching those. No training, or training requests turned down -- hand writing on the wall, that you aren't valued and won't be kept around much longer.

@6bxt. How old are you? Because at 59, nearly 60- the job market is very slim. I’d be able to retire early if it weren’t for health care. Being laid off in your 50’s s---s no matter which end of the spectrum you are at.

Do some research. It’s pretty bleak. If you are able to land a new job your salary will

most likely be much less, your vacation time less.

-5pps, Have you actually looked at the job market? Where are you getting this information from? Life is over after 50? Give yourself some credit. Some of what you say is true but only being able to wear jeans on Friday is a small price to pay compared to how we are getting the shaft here. Lots of smaller companies value experience. And I'd much rather put in the extra time for a company that might actually appreciate my value than be forced into extra time for one that offers nothing but a hostile work environment in return.

It could also be a fear of losing. A fear of losing all that has been acquired over the past 20 or 30 years: house, car/s, vacation, etc. This would apply more to the individual facing a RIF. Houses and mass manufactured goods come and go but time can never be adequately compensated.

A person with many years into a position at a large company will be pigeon holed and deemed unsuitable for any other task and the prospective company will not expend the resources for additional training for someone who is considered to be "set in their ways" and not able to adapt to new processes/technologies as quickly as a new grad or junior level employee.

A smaller sized company places more demand upon the ability to perform many functions outside one's basic job description. Be expected to work more hours (some on weekends and some off the clock) averaging less pay with a so-so benefits package. The vacation and holiday time may not be as generous either. Many small companies are privately owned, which means that even though there may not be shareholders driving the company's financial decisions and penny pinching, there may be idiosyncratic policies and other quirks following the sensibilities of the company's owner that can be an annoyance (e.g., no salaried employees can wear jeans, not even on Fridays). There is, however, greater visibility and recognition, greater levity in the ability to execute actions very quickly, very little red tape and bureaucratic rigmarole and a closer-knit working environment. It is not for those that wish to coast their last ten years towards retirement.

Job hopping is a youngster's game (45 and below). The 50+ have to rely more on their connections than their skills/experience to land them a new position. Of course a person can be jumping ship only to hop onto one with an even bigger hole in its hull.

HI-PAC is pushed at band 4 and above

I agree. Even for those of us that have been here a lifetime there is nothing left to stay for. But, I'm confused. How can you be forced to join HI-PAC? I've worked for Honeywell for 28 years and had to google it to find out what it even was.

There are many reasons to go and many to stay. The most important reason is fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the challenges and fear of changes. Modern corporate America is built on your fears. They count on you slaving around till they give you the boot.

3bpc here...

As I stated before, there are a myriad of reasons for why a person can choose to stay: I never listed "accumulated too much debt" as being one of those, as that is purely independent of any of the other factors I've stated. A person with loads of debt and no other obligations (family, friends, community, etc.) is free to go anywhere they wish. If you have deep roots in your community and/or are responsible for someone else who is completely content or are deeply involved in local community organizations you have way more to consider.

As 3kri has indicated, many have invested a lot of time and are no longer marketable due to their age. Too many factors at play for some to just "up and leave".

I've said it before; I've worked at other companies, but a company is more than its benefits. Everything is more than money. Sometimes it's your co-workers and the bond which exists with them that keeps some people going. In my case, my manager is the most competent, responsible and understanding manager I've had in my nearly 20 years in corporate America. Other companies have had better benefits but the management and the attitudes of the co-workers can have you running for the door.

I listed more than two buckets.

Again stop complaining and take your medicine or get out!

Debt free with a great pension and 401. Can’t wait until I start social security.

Thanks

-4wvt, not everyone falls into your 2 buckets. Quit being so judgmental. And how about stop 'talking down to people' just so you can feel superior. You're pretty immature for your age.

As I read all the comments saying they can’t retire because their 50 with no where to go.

Question, How many boats, RV’s, second properties and luxury cars do you currently own or have owned over your career?

I remember working Saturdays early in my career and seeing the boats and RV’s everyone had in the parking lot but had to work in Saturday’s to pay for it. I recall several times OT was cut and guys went crazy wondering how they were going to pay for toys.

I never had all the toys, I saved and put in 8% for 34 years oh and went through a divorce and still retired last October at 57yo.

No excuses, get out or stop complaining.

3bpc...

Well said, as I fall into the category of being in a situation where re-location is out of the question, over 50, and there’s not much else in town without taking a pay cut. Just trying to survive till retirement...

Everyone has their reasons for leaving/staying just as everyone who wishes to leave can not for a myriad of reasons. Some choose to stay for many other reasons:

Honeywell is the only game in town in certain areas. A lot of people (mainly hourly employees) are deeply rooted in the community (many were born and raised in the area and that's all they know) and have invested many years into the company and can not just "up and go", especially for another hourly position elsewhere.

For that same reason, some salaried employees may also be rooted in the area after having worked years at the site and have many years of experience in a specialized discipline (particularly engineers). Searching for a new position requires a nationwide search (it is not easy as most specialized positions are in pricey markets that come with their own problems).

You may be ready to leave but your spouse is not having the same difficulties in their workplace and doesn't appreciate having to uproot to possibly another state.

The community may have "great schools"; something else to factor.

This is all fine [resignation] if you work in Phoenix, Clearwater or New Jersey but not so much elsewhere. It is not always as simple as putting in a two week notice and planning a commute to another office park in town.

I personally have worked at nine companies in my tenure - large and small, private and public, in small towns and in large metropolitan areas - and Honeywell is no different from any other company seeking maximum profit (which is virtually all companies). I've accepted that it's the same green grass everywhere: there are simply variations in soil quality but it's the same grass.

Honeywell AERO is paying you WAY DIRTY CHEAP! No wonder ppl walking around the perimeter too much... like a hamster.

Go find another job from another company. Easily +30% better pay! A good relocating package that you cannot deny. Good luck!

Honeywell AERO is paying you WAY DIRTY CHEAP! No wonder ppl walking around the perimeter too much... like a hamster.

Go find another job from another company. Easily +30% better pay! A good relocating package that you cannot deny. Good luck!

Only 1 reason - You work for Honeywell. The labor market is tight and wages are rising. You have plenty of opportunities. Update that resume & get out there!

Even if you can tolerate the other reasons, the one they'll get you on is "Forced % into performance review elbow", just ask the folks at Clearwater and their ever so supportive site leader.

Answer your own question. Are you still there? So how many reasons for you? I’d suspect everyone’s level of tollerence will be different. A paycheck is a paycheck. Do just enough to get by, come in on Monday and discuss sporting events with your buds till 10:30, go to a meeting or two, take an hour lunch, go to more meetings or teleconference. Go visit others, do a little paperwork update, go home and collect a check. Not bad if say.

Just make sure not to give any notice period. They'll fly in a foreigner to train for your job.