Probably old news, but I believe it is becoming more formal. Heard that the expectation is 44 hours/week minimum regardless of your work load. They are starting to track this formally, and any group that has a work/pay ratio of less than 1 will be getting special attention. All done behind the scenes. Guess good employees (1-4 blocks) will be getting PIPs this year if they don't put in more than 44 hours.
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To the manager who "cringes" when he hears someone say they have "put in their 40". That's because Honeywell makes it about hours. We are told the most important metric is yield. In other words - not how much work you have done, not the quality of work, but how many hours you have worked. So if HON doesn't like the "I put in my 40 hours" mentality, stop judging employees based on how many hours they work and start judging them on the work they do. Until then it dam sure is McDonalds.
Confucious is/was a wise man.
Used to work with India, Czh, Asia. Lots of 7pm calls. Worst part was a boss who kept beating us up for things taking to long, not happening. Cracking the HOS whip. You could never talk about where people were located. As long as they kept head in sand, then it was a people issue with us. And never could figure out how to make people in Asia or Europe respond quickly. Tough times, but thankfully done with it now.
to 4tpc, I had the same problem before I retired. Post your Outlook Calendar for the week outside your cube like I did. Stopped the snarky remarks immediately.
I consistently have to work over 40, because I'm taking meetings with India, Singapore, Brno, etc. at 5:00AM or 9:00PM. Needless to say, I do not spend 8 hours in the office every day. I do come in every day, but I shave a few hours off the beginning or end to compensate (as much as I can) for the off-hours meetings. Unfortunately, I do not report to anyone at my site, so all cubicle moles around me make comments every now and then ("I don't see you very often" ???) that make me worry they will try to get me fired, even though my manager is aware of my situation. But, it's just one more stressful thing to have to deal with. Honeywell Leadership.... PLEASE sell us off soon!! I want to work for a real company where employees are valued and not treated like preschoolers (including the tattle-telling).
Confucius say, if you work 36 hours and charge company for 40, you steal from company, if you work 44 hous and company only pay you for 40, company steal from you.
I like how the "manager" (post @OBq6nou-ldj) said 90% of his team are good workers. That's the official number per Honeywell standards. 10% must always be in the "elbow".
They don't let us work anything over 40 in our area, but we are all hourly paid.
@ i love my job
If you don't like what is posted, then perhaps you should ignore the thread and stop with the name calling. The title of the thread was pretty clear. I'm sure there is a bridge for you somewhere out there.
What a bunch of whiners. I thought this was supposed to be about layoff news not a bunch of babies. You work you get paid, if you don't like it, QUIT. No one is forcing you to be at Honeywell.
-dzu
I live by the 5P method of thinking.
PISS POOR PLANNING ON YOUR PART DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN EMERGENCY ON MY PART
To the first poster who claims to be a manager, all I can say is that I don't owe Honeywell anything more than 40 hours of work for 40 hours of pay. If you manager types had your sh1t together, stopped trying to take advantage of the people who make it happen, and weren't so f-ing greedy, I might think of working at Honeywell as a career instead of a job. I refuse to miss out on my life because management can't bother to be held accountable for the sh1tty decisions they make. I'm done with covering for your sorry a$$ with no extra compensation. If you want the extra 10% and the bonus, put in the work and the hours yourself.
-fmk
I second that!
HON doesn't care about me, my life or my family. Work life balance? Yea sure, as long as Dairyass and WS get theirs. I can't work from home but I CAN work all the free OT I want from home? What a shtty thing to say! What else do you expect from a bunch of fcking schmucks?? You know what? Most employees see HON for what it truly is; a second rate sht kicking bucket shop which has been bleeding talent and customers for decades. Now it's time to pay the Piper. Don't like I only work 40 hours because there's benefit to me to work more? Tough sht! Guess you'll have to RIF me.
HON doesn't care about me, my life or my family. Work life balance? Yea sure, as long as Dairyass and WS get theirs. I can't work from home but I CAN work all the free OT I want from home? What a shtty thing to say! What else do you expect from a bunch of fcking schmucks?? You know what? Most employees see HON for what it truly is; a second rate sht kicking bucket shop which has been bleeding talent and customers for decades. Now it's time to pay the Piper. Don't like I only work 40 hours because there's benefit to me to work more? Tough sht! Guess you'll have to RIF me.
If employees thought their manager cared and that they were rated on performace, then employees would likely care. I have worked for managers that new what I did and cared about what I did, and in my case those managers were replaced. Hon is stuck in the WS game of doing anything to jump over bar on qrt earnings. Cost cutting to hit the number, very short term thinking.
I am a manager. Not once did I expect one of my staff to blindly work 44 hours per week. I agree that this is a lame and lazy way of increasing yield. I have been very fortunate to have a very dedicated, motivated and creative team. 90% of them make every effort to meet commitments, work proposals, and support issues. Life and work is a precious balance. I have been blessed with a fun career but it is unfortunate that we have so many that look at this as not a career but a 40 hour job and shame on those managers that have encouraged this behavior and shame on our CEOs that don't understand high reliability/ radiation/ and all of the complexities behind space products. As far as I know we are not launching lego products.
Number of hours charged per week is the stupidest, most braindead metric on the face of the planet. If leadership isn't willing to put in the time to understand what people are accomplishing in the hours they work, I sure as hell am not going to twiddle my thumbs for X hours to meet some arbitrary goal. I put in OT when I feel it's necessary, otherwise life is too short to waste on lazy management.
Dzu - u will think this way untill you are let go for all the wrong reasons. The poster who said he had worked 70 hr weeks in the past said he liked his job then. There are a lot of people who today like the work they do, put in extra hours as needed, like getting things done right and got bad reviews or were let go. These are the times we are in. My bosses the last 3 years were new and didnt know what I was doing, and didnt seem to care. Getting things done quickly meant the job must be easy. Knowledge and work ethic didnt seem to matter. You must be lucky that you still have a decent boss, and are in a group that isnt targeted yet.
Don't care what the yield target is. No overtime unless paid. Unpaid overtime for no reason is for idiots.
If managers don't like that too bad. They can lay me off and find a s---er instead.
102% yield is the current target for my group. Yield does not include overhead and training etc.
Dzu...your wrong..period. You should work the amount of OT your life atyle allows. You owe the company only 40 hours period. If it is taking 60-70 hours to get your job done it is HW issue. Occasional OT is fine but corporate America wants you to think like Dzu. That is there plan.....The worse they can do is let you go....probably to a better job. When you working 70 hours a week you are being paid like your working for McDonalds...
my previous post is obviously aimed at first post...not OP
As a 33+ year engineer, I spent my share of 70+ hour weeks, 7 day weeks, missed anniversaries and birthdays, called in at all hours, etc. We all loved it. Every one of us. I was used to being thanked for my effort. It was fun. We designed great new products; we put men in space; we saved lives. All things to be proud of. And most interestingly, in most cases, you weren't there to see any of that.
The last few years I was never thanked. We didn't create new products. There was nothing needing or worth spending an extra second on. Then you managers got clever: "Check your email at home", you'd say...or anything similar. Never put in writing, but always mentioned verbally in small groups...mustn't get caught encouraging fraud after all, right? All in an effort to raise fake billable hours and cheat a good employee out of time with their family.
You sir (or ma'am) are a piece of #$%^
As a manager, I always cringe when I hear someone else say "I put in my 40 hours".
This isn't McDonald's. You need to put forth the effort to get the job done.
Are you actually that oblivious?