Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

I have no problem Larry bought a lot of properties. I have big problem when O makes $10 billions in profit every year but not paying or pay tiny bonus to most of the engineers. I had worked for 4 tech companies. O is a very cheap company. Period. Even you are not RIF'd this time, you should consider leaving the company. You will have a much brighter future outside Oracle.

@L1GMimP-1dhr

Did you ever report a bug , using bugDB or raising a SR and not being part of Sustaining or Base Dev ?

Except providing a detailed bug report and eventually providing a test case, how can you influence a bug resolution ?

Except increasing the bug severity and escalating it ?

Where is the arrogance when just writing that ?

Do you know how complex the process are ?

Do you know how frustrating it is to open a bug in the name of a cst

and not getting any answer from sustaining and base dev , even knowing they are quite busy ?

I would be happy to learn from you.

Cheers.

Who says person RFID in India can get a position internally.... No one touches unless you have a strong network. Once out of job you would not have access to oracle systems. This org is so cold that people do not pick up ur phone once u r out. India has spineless leadership.

@L1GMimP-tif

this thread is not euro-centric, as you wrote.

It was mentioned several times in this thread that most impacted employees are from EMEA, Australia and US.

As far as I know, EMEA is not only about Europa. And Australia is far from Europa.

Fact is if you are RIF'd in India, you'll be able to find another position internally using taleo web site or by using your professional network at Oracle.

But if you are an Employee working in EMEA, you won't be able to get any new Job because you work in an expensive country. Even when having a very good network and being recognized as a skilled person.

Ask around you.

It is a corporate decision not to keep people from expensise countries.

See also "http://www.hrmagazine.co.uk/article-details/oracles-youth-appeal" from vance kearney, from emea hr at oracle, not young enough to be part of the youth appeal, but old enough for driving a ferrari.

This post is so true although I'm sure none of the Oracle's CEO's or the CTO will ever read it or even take care of its content.

That said, what makes me laughing is the comment "BTW, it is people from sustaining and base dev who are fixing bugs, not support, not consultants nor presales or sales. Feel free to contact the PMs responsible for that" from one person above. This shows a level of arrogance which is reflecting the mentality of a number of Oracle employees. When I read this, it gives me the feeling that apart the developers, the others are simply nothing. But when most of the people forget is that we are all in the same boat and if we would not sell, we would not need to support anything. Without support, there would not have any issues raised to the engineering to fix them. Without a good support, we would not have (sometimes) happy customers who would buy again later and if we would not buy, we would not need any sales representative.

IMHO, there is not one person above the other. We all have different functions with different competencies.

That said, I know for sure a number of customers who smell things changing and they are for sure not interested to buy Oracle products anymore. They look for other solutions and a number of customers say that they are fed up to pay extensive support contract which is also increasing every year when they clearly see that the support quality is decreasing YoY. We want to pay for cheaper support engineers ? Ok, we get what we get. There are complex products which require at least 2 years of experience before being at least able to work on some complex issues. When we know that these cheap engineers lead to a turn over of 70%, I will let you imagine what kind of support this will give for the Oracle customer's. Do we care ? No, because the business today does not care about the 15 years of technical and soft skills from a number of engineers able to drive complex issues and also drive complex discussions with large customers. What is the most important is just to look at reducing the expenses quarter after quarter. But what all these companies tend to forget is that you build a strong and solid relationship with customers not in a quarter but you this takes longer.

Discussing with HPE employees, I do understand now why they were happy to see Mr Hurd leaving HP. Some of them are telling me that he is doing the same as what he has been doing by HP and before leaving HP.

LE for POTUS

@L1GMimP-1jlg

stop writing in the name of l ellisson.

the people RIF'd were not RIF'd because they were under performing, they were because they were too expensive and located in the wrong country. Many of them were rated 4 or 5 during their performance appraisal.

When you'll undersand that, it will be too late for you.

And comparing experienced engineers replaced by people from cheap countries with people cleaning a house shows how well you understand the business.

BTW, it is people from sustaining and base dev who are fixing bugs, not support, not consultants nor presales or sales. Feel free to contact the PMs responsible for that. There is a tool for that, it is called ARIA.

At least you will have learnt something by reading this thread.

If you have someone you pay $100 each time she comes and clean your house.

When she leaves you realized she missed few spots, you catch her and tell her what you found, she then tells you she will take care of those next time. Do you think next time she comes by to clean again without pay?, she will get pay $100 again to clean those spots, and left some other spots and the same thing repeat then soon enough she asks you for a raise, would you give her the raise?

This is what Larry sees. You said there was no raise, no bonuses so check yourself, did you fix all the bugs out there that you owned or your group owned?, did you deliver what customers wanted of you?

Why the features we need for customer is not available until 2yrs from now?

If all of us dedicate to deliver with 110% of what we can, you will be flushed with money and you will not have time to whin today!

I remember when Larry's racing yacht sank and the next week we were told that there will be no raises that year.

This is very euro-centric. You don't seem to realize this is impacting everyone at Oracle world-wide, not just EMEA. People in India have been RIF'd, as well as the USA. And it's not just services, where you clearly seem to work.

IT companies are nothing more than Sweatshops. Check out Dell, IBM and you can get an idea of the crap

Sad itsn't is, oracle can buy all the excellent SaaS companies out there and it will lose anyhow by destroying their service organizations, moving them to India and Romania. No future for employees and customers

oracle is just trying to f?ck their cst another way, but SAAS and PAAS cst now flee to AWS and AZURE, after oracle tried to f?ck them with Licenses stuff. Oracle can go f?ck themselves, even oracle sales are f?cked by m hurd and s catz policies.

Good luck folks !

Look LL, time to move on. LE is getting up there in age and staring the grim reaper in the eyes, he can spend his time f..... his new and much younger girlfriend or worrying about you, what do you think he's gonna do? Get out now before Larry kicks the bucket because the transition is going to be god awful, what do you think the transition plan looks like? Who do you think will take over? What a nightmare, get the f.... out of there now!

Larry used to care but he's checked out and handled the reins over to Safra and Mark. They are 2 sides of the same coin. They will cut to save money. They don't know how to innovate like Larry did and grow. Larry has put too much trust in them and Thomas Kurian, who can't deliver a decent product that the market likes to save his life. Larry is practically retired now and I believe that Oracle is in a rut similar to when Balmer was running the show at Microsoft. They need a leader from within the engineering organization and not TK, someone else who has been ingrained in the software/product engineering that understands what customers ultimately want and know how to put the right people in place to deliver on it. Someone with vision. Mark and Safra have no vision. They are operations people.

Very nice post.

That's true that l ellison doesn't care of the oracle employees.

Personnally I was going to be layed off. But I decided to leave before it happened (so I did not received the severance but i did not care about it).

Former oracle employees have very nice CVs and are very appreciated by companies looking for skillled and motivated people. It took me me less than 3 months before finding a new job. Now I can help my customers with my 15 years oracle knowledge and experience. Our customers are really pissed off with oracle license policies and very low level help provided by oracle Global romanian Customer unSupport. Most of the time, cst provide the solution to romanians, even before romanian unSupport understqnds what the problem is.

It has to be noted that the romanians are hired as principal or senior principal unsupport enginners when here in EMEA we were hired as senior engineers, even with more than 20 years of IT experience. Customers are very happy to get help with skilled and very motivated former oracle employees.

BTW, I find funny that s catz is a member of the trump transition team when everybody knows that it is catz idea to axe EMEA, Australian and US support engineer to replace them with baby romanians.

Also even Stock Market analysts reads between lines when m. stupid hurd announces lies after lies to cover its stupidity.

do a google search on "CEO claims Oracle is No. 1 in enterprise cloud sales, but it s not true", "Oracle keeps saying it can beat Salesforce and AWS, but numbers say otherwise" or "Lack of Hurd mentality at Oracle OpenWorld: Co-CEO's cloud claims fall flat live on stage".

And if you can read german articles, see "http://www.computerwoche.de/a/oracle-anwender-bemaengeln-support-qualitaet,3327755": support quality and response time are rated bad (schelcht).

That says all about unsupport quality.

Oracle employees feel very bad because of m hurd, s catz and l ellison poor behavior and low term thinking ( meaning how much $$$ they can earn).

In the end true will surface.

According to Forbes, and as of 2016, Larry Ellison is worth USD $48.1 Billion.

http://www.forbes.com/profile/larry-ellison/

Nice and true note, unfortunately Larry doesn't give a sh--

Some groups in India have been sounded to look out. It's same everywhere all are in danger of loosing job.