If you are under 40 it is time to do what is best for you. Get out of the Aerospace industry. If you are forced to take a job with Honeywell, Boeing, etc. make sure you get Maximum money coming in and continue to look for a better industry. Aerospace is cyclical and this type of situation occurs every 7 years or so. Company's like Honeywell are becoming "Third World" Companies that are quickly leaving the US. We have already sent all the technology developed by hard working Americans to other countries and our enemies and the rich have raked in the profits. Do me one favor though...If you ever see Cowardly Cote. or "Traitor Dave"...spit in his face. He got his money and F$%ked American!
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You musta hada verey goos professsser, to teach yo how to spil lik that.
Quit yer crying - if you had a job here more than 3 years you are lucky. I was told to avoid Honeywell back in the 1970s by a well known and very capable professor. Honeywell uses enjuneers and tosses them out as soon as the project is finished - now most larger companies are doing the same. No wonder many products from the US are overpriced and crap.
What does Christianity and living in the mid west have anything to do with the comment? Employers have a lot of leeway around how they treat their employees and it's up to the employee to leave or stay. This is more relevant in a state like Arizona, I right to work state.
The company was an awesome place to work in the day. Along the way greed and no accountability took over and this is what we're left with.
Go vote next month.
Is this moron for real? He thinks an employer can treat their employees anyway they wish and all employees should be grateful? Must be some Bible thumping Midwesterner type stuck in the 50's when companies gave a sh1t about their workers.
People need work, and unfortunately, some end up working for bad companies like Honeywell. It's not like HR is honest and upfront with how the company really is.
No one can force you to take a job.
For newly graduates, grasp what ever you could. There is nothing better than getting a decent paycheck. While you are being grilled and kicked around, look for something better. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Employment in paperless technology is completely different with employment in pencil and paper era. So......get the correct timing to hop around. Good luck.
It's not easy for someone with little experience to find something, because many companies have either not replied or said, "you don't fit due to not enough experience". Understand the situation or don't; it doesn't matter. It's true that no one is forced to be here, but people have different priorities... older people who feel they need to stay here, then that's how they feel. I feel how I feel; thanks.
"no matter how bad job is here you should stop complaining and be grateful you have the money"
This line is for the truly desperate; when it comes to being satisfied with my work and who works with me, I will do what I can to avoid using "money" as an excuse to stay at a job.
I take advice from the ones who actually give alternative ideas to the ones who struggle, like the person who said "work to find employment even if it is 12.00/hr until something better comes along"... not the people who say "s.u.c.k it up and take the money".
Be helpful and I will be grateful. Be judgy and I will be grudgy.
whether this job was a horrible experience there is always a way out and Cote is not all the company, we are not slaves there have big doors open for anyone that wants to leave to something better.
Yea you shoukd all be grateful that dave let you work here to earn .001% of the money you make him. Dave has gotten rich off of our backs and you should be thankful he makes millions upon millions per year while you all take furloughs and numerous haircuts. What a bunch of ungrateful serfs you all are.
Sense the sarcasm?
you don't call what you are saying "crying" ?? I call it ungrateful to Honeywell for offering you a job, give you money and act that way.
no matter how bad job is here you should stop complaining and be grateful you have the money
Trump will fix it.
We all have skin in this game young, old, not old enough to retire. We all have the right to talk about why we think we're here and that frustration. So, everyone has concerns and would like to think 5 years from now we look back and say it was the best thing.
Lets not jump to conclusions because you may have a family it's not just as a big deal as it is to you. It might be you could spend less time on this gripe line and work to find employment even if it is 12.00/hr until something better comes along.
Hang in there. I'm praying for us all as well as our leadership Lord knows they need it,
Seems like you should have waited for the right job, so now s--- it up and stop complaining some of us that got layoff with families would wish we still have money coming in.
Also, to the one that is saying all we younger people do is cry about it, well that's not necessarily the case... it is fairly disappointing and not very desired to come to a place filled with older people, mostly men, while being a young woman feeling out of place and trying to find a way to build up my career.
The very FIRST week I got here, people were telling me, "At least you get your foot in the door... it's a great start... you'll build up your bank account..." Those are not truly supportive words. I have aspirations to build up my career first, because although money is important during this time, your experience while you're young matters as well.
This is why I "cry".
To be honest, I did not wish to start here and was looking many different places to work... but you know how companies seem to be; if you don't have experience, you don't get experience.
Honeywell was my only option that took me in, but I did not even want to start here. My dad did tell me of what was going on, but what can a younger person like myself do when I am fresh from college, have no money and need work?
Answer: be desperate; and now I am applying high and low as I did before for somewhere that WILL take me. I got this degree for that very purpose, so I should be given more than this.
I don't understand how these young people come here and cry like little B**, you should have done research before accepting a job offer specially 3 moths ago Honeyhell has been showing signs of going down way before that, take this as a lesson for next time. don't like it here then leave, i been here way too long and have a few years from retirement so i understand alot of my peers not leaving and forfeiting insurance, its just seems that this generation all they do is cry and move when they dont like the job
Back in the good ole days, many family member's were hired of people that worked at Garrett/Allied-Signal because everyone was so tight and many families partied and had a social life many times spent with co-workers. We would all work 10 hour days and on Friday have our spouses meet us someplace for Happy Hour. I remember a time when the spouse dies, the living spouse was offered some type of job just because they cared so much.
It was a honor to say you worked at AirResearch, Garrett, Allied-Signal but no longer.
with 3 months i hope you gain enough experience to sell your self some where else
to Get Paid, in your other post you said you dad worked here why didn't he gave you a heads up about this place?
This generation may learn the best way to deal with large corporations is the way my father's (the greatest) generation did via collective bargaining. But that's only one angle... we need to elect people who represent the People. Not large outsourcing corporations.
Agreed. Contrary to Bob, selling baby clothes or making an app more likely has more job security than this place. As much as working on airplanes and sending things out into space was something to dream about, Honeywell has made it a nightmare with the pay cuts and the fear of layoffs every two quarters.
The problem is, all we'll do is trade one pile if S--T for a different pile. I think the good ole days in American manufacturing is gone. I look it as I'm a contractor as long as you need me. If and when you get tired of me or I get tired of you, I'll give you 40 + hrs. and you abide by our agreement for pay and benefits. Honeywell has decided to adjust pay and benefits as they see fit and when ever they ant to get an extra kick of cash flow by not having us work. That's when it's time to leave.
A sorry place to work indeed.
100% correct. I'm 36 and have now wasted 10 years of my life with this sh*thole company. If you are 40 or under, get out. Get out now. I'm looking to get out of aerospace altogether. Take heed my young friends and peers!
Thank you for your words, although this is sadly of no surprise... I am 24 years old and have been seeing incredibly low morale and people mentioning how much better it was years ago here. Many reasons, along with this, has caused me to apply for other places already, after only about 3 months of being in this place.