Thread regarding Centene Corp. layoffs

Are we really waking this thread up?

Such perfection on the TIMING

@1my1 what did you have for lunch, boo boo?

@2b5 you need to wake up booboo

Just read a reply where a ahole told OP to stop bad talking centene his company dwl. Delusional fool. Centene will one day drop you so fast and the disappointment in trusting that someone else's company should care about you will make you sui-idal.

I'll start the slow clap for OP! Well played for exposing everything we've been saying!

The person who said promotions are based on “Being Liked”. Isn’t that the case always? A stupid manager in my previous company promoted a stupid person to lead just because that person was his Spouse’s best friend. And that company shows up every year in “best place to work “ list.

I will add that the post from current and former leaders that were advised to give certain employees “meets expectations “ to those bottom feeders. I don’t see anyone asking those posters for more details. If you laughed at the misspelling from the OP, you haven’t read the emails from some leaders in the company. Who goes this hard for a company? Everyone is replaceable and no reason has to be provided.

Just ONE quote from the internet. You guys are going to have to fight the masses. Apparently, you are new to this thread because Centene has been blown in previous conversations. Scroll back. BTW, I too interviewed here and the representation was awful. I declined the position.

"Removal of bonuses and raises for anyone that is not a M level or above. Aka u must be a manager or higher to get a bonuses or decent raise.

The “bottom feeders.” Which is literally what anyone who works lower than M level is called behind our backs are overworked, and severely micromanaged. Departments were cut in half and that work was thrown into the hands of the rest.

They pressure you into meeting the stats/quotas every day however they make it incredibly difficult to achieve because of the amount of work and micromanaging.

Don’t do it. It’s not worth it- trust me. Unless ur getting a high position. It’s not worth it, they will use and abuse you and mentally destroy you. Morality is low.

Want more info go to Thelayoff.com and look for Centene and just read what mostly all employees are saying ."

If a PL promoted or hired based on fancy wording of a resume, whose fault is it? Are promotions based on the work performed or how well someone can talk or write themselves into more money? Threaten to leave and get a promotion.. who has that worked for? Asking because I believed all the other posters that promotions were based on if you were “liked”.

I just love that so many people think when someone defends Centene it MUST BE a leader. I’m not a leader. I am an everyday employee who jumps in on these posts when it’s warranted.

With that being said. I had a cup of coffee for breakfast. I just didn’t feel like eating. We finally got all the Christmas sh-t in the attic so I got my living room back to where it was pre-holidays. What a Saturday…

Excuse me while I bow out. Have fun. I got 5 more loads of laundry to put up. I wish it was faux laundry! Someone come fold this sh-t.

OP - don’t talk sh-t on my company on a public forum and expect it to go 100% in your favor. Peace out. Keep thriving.

I just can’t get past the “faux lawyers” part. lol what the fu-k. Either someone is really resonating with OP or OP is taking advantage of the anonymity of this forum and faking replies because it’s not going in their favor.

Y’all know what? OP don’t even work here no more. We can talk about whatever we want in the comment. Let’s make this post the official general discussion thread.: what did y’all have for breakfast this morning? I had scrambled eggs. I wanted to add biscuits and gravy but I didn’t have any milk to make the gravy. So I sat there and ate scrambled eggs with salt and pepper.

HEY OP!!! Everyone thinks you’re bowing out 😂😂😂😂 you bowing out or what? Come on don’t let these responses speak for you! Where ya at?

“Im going to join OP and the others and bow out.”

First of all, stop speaking for OP who never said they were gonna bow out. OP is busy thriving. Let them thrive.

Second of all - let’s take this back to the part of the post OP first made that comments pointed out that some of us can resonate with because we don’t agree with. Some of you were promoted too soon. You sold yourself with fancy wording and promoted and maybe threatened to leave to secure that new title. If you earned it and can do it - FU-K YES. We need you. Keep at it. Shine baby. SHINE. We love you!

But if you got promoted too soon and you’re having to constantly ask others for help because you stepped into something you were not prepared for all in the name of a godda-ned promotion.. then take that title and EARN IT or shove it up your fu--ing a-s!!!! Sincerely, everyone tired of getting pulled from their job to hold the hand of someone who sold themselves on their application and “promotion”

OP… step aside if this doesn’t relate… you seem to not realize we are wishing you well. But some of us want folks and leaders to know some people haven’t EARNED their title and their drive “to be promoted quickly” (WHICH IS SUCH A TOXIC CAREER MINDSET TO HAVE) And some of us are having to deal with it.

Oh… and your comment about faux lawyers. Was that supposed to deter comments? Oh for fu--s sake. Nothing about this thread warrants a “faux lawyer” you fear mongering piece of sh-t.

Faux attorneys or trolls n this thread. Or maybe one person responding because the writing style is the same.

Im.gping to join OP and the others and bow out. Thanks!

I’m gonna take a page from the playbook of a few previous relies and dissect your comment.

“This chat has been FULL of negative comments and cr-p being directed at Centene”

Some. But not mine… actually... only OP and one “shut up!!” Respondent looked to be putting Centene down.

“OP actually echoed what many have said before...all was well until they filed a complaint about management”

No one said that didn’t happen. He-l, I myself, can join the group of that topic. I, too, filed a complaint against a Centene “leader” but I quit before she could put me to the chopping block because she wanted me gone because I knew my worth (many years under my belt) and she didn’t want to believe there were problems. It was all about selling her parade of perfection of lies on her beloved PowerPoints. I am back and under amazing leadership and what I wouldn’t give to be able to call her name out because she was a MENTALLY ABUSIVE BI--H!! Plenty of us have been under these nasty leaders!!!! But anyways….

“ I'm not understanding what additional detail others wanted.”

Sounds like they, and now I, want to know why they came to Centene if they were thriving so well before us. And why they felt to include that their “norm” is to be promoted up quickly. OP felt it worthy to call out. If it wasn’t relevant then OP would have left it out. That or they are boasting and upset they didn’t get frequent promotions here.

“It seems what bothered people with the company was OP's ability to provide a proven track record of what they feel is a proven track record before Centene that matches their ability after Centene.”

Not even close. Go back and read the replies a little closer. Thriving before Centene and after Centene was OPs words. “20 years and no one would touch me” That’s not a proven track record or even close to “their ability to provide a proven track record of what they feel is a proven track record”…. Huh???????

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But OP didn't talk cr-p about the company. I don't see anything in the original post that spoke of anything but their experience. This chat has been FULL of negative comments and cr-p being directed at Centene. OP actually echoed what many have said before...all was well until they filed a complaint about management. And they were soon laid off after being there a short time. I'm not understanding what additional detail others wanted.

It seems what bothered people with the company was OP's ability to provide a proven track record of what they feel is a proven track record before Centene that matches their ability after Centene. Lets be honest, its hard to get on with this company, so something about them is what Centene wanted. They didnt get fired before the complaint. They even mentioned getting a quarterly bonus in a response. So, with that they actually have some type of skill the company both saw as valuable and was praised for it in their short time there. Not a promotion, but points towards a possible in the future maybe. Remember, you have ro be hand picked and approved for those quarterly bonuses.

So, I kiiinda get OP when they said that Centene were the problem. It was coming back into the chat and pointing it out to others is what hurt some feelings.

OP has since moved on obviously but the Centeamers are still here 2 weeks later arguing with others.

And if this is actually management then OP might have a point.

“Likely going without work for 8 months makes the OP writer feel like working at the company was a total waste of time and a setback in their career. These are some basic stuff which I am unsure why you are wondering what made the OP upset”

I am not one of the previous replies but at this point I’m jumping in. OP said they were thriving before Centene and after Centene. They’re clearly doing well but felt the need to come talk cr-p about our company at least that’s how I took it.. I’m not doubting they might have had the misfortune of having a bad leader. I think people who jumped in just had something to say about their own experiences of dealing with and working with folks who got promoted quickly, but not necessarily as an attack or disbelief to OP. It just opened the conversation to state how they felt since leaders do read these forums and they saw a chance to say something even if it wasn’t fully relevant to the original post or directly to the OP. That’s how these forums work. I think some of you are taking what the folks responding are saying way out of context. It’s not offensive to dissect someone’s opinion. It’s just how it is that many people are vague and dissecting is how some people try to figure out a problem because maybe they’re looking for a solution. Isn’t going to help OP but again, some folks speak up and comment because they know more eyes are on this than just OP. There is no reason to attack OP or anyone that responded.

Asking for more details to better understand OP’s experience doesn’t mean you’re dismissive. It’s just part of having an open dialogue. It is very clear that the OP feels mistreated by their people leader with the words "had to file a formal complaint against a manager."

Likely going without work for 8 months makes the OP writer feel like working at the company was a total waste of time and a setback in their career. These are some basic stuff which I am unsure why you are wondering what made the OP upset. It is very clear why the OP is upset. You are trying to make the post about yourself.

This thread is going absolutely nowhere. OP you said your piece and you don’t want to share more details nor does anyone else it seems. Responses are all over the place. OP, best of luck.

“This feels like it could be more about sharing perspectives here rather than dissecting someone else’s. Why are you not focused on what resonates for you and let others do the same? After all, it’s those individual experiences that make discussions like this valuable.”

Please explain how I’m not letting others do the same. OP made the post on a public forum. I responded and shared my experience and my POV and asked for more details to try to understand what upset OP so much. How does that become not focusing on what resonates with me?

I get the frustration leadership might feel when details aren’t provided, but everyone processes their experiences differently. The OP might just be sharing their perspective without going into specifics. It’s important to be patient and respectful of how others choose to communicate.

While we are on the subject, regarding leadership and feedback. I have one regarding the monthly 1-on-1 conversations. When leadership recognizes that the same conversation is exhibited during every 1 on 1. I felt there was no point to the 1 on 1.

These 1 on 1 sessions are to be used to give feedback, keep each other in the loop, resolve issues, and help the participants grow in their roles. Rarely was any personal growth provided, but harsh criticism in its place.

If leadership is wondering why they never can get to the root cause. It is because the employees are too scared to give their opinions because they are afraid of retaliation.

There are a lot of assumptions into analyzing the OP’s intentions. Why are you so intent on analyzing how someone feels. Why not just let their story stand as their perspective? If it doesn’t match your experience, that’s alright. The fact is that many people laid off in October 2023 is factual.

It’s also worth considering that we all process setbacks differently, and sharing experiences, even critical ones. These setbacks do not necessarily mean someone is bitter or self-righteous. I personally was setback during C-19 with the company, never left the office even though a majority did.

This feels like it could be more about sharing perspectives here rather than dissecting someone else’s. Why are you not focused on what resonates for you and let others do the same? After all, it’s those individual experiences that make discussions like this valuable.

Chiming in - not invalidating OP either but this is a great example of what leadership has to put up with - someone expressing how they feel about Centene and not giving more context when we ask questions to try to understand the root of the problem - the person just acts offended.

@1ta+1w5ADvM1 “Hopefully one day people can share their experiences without being judged or have their opinion dissected”

What the HE-L are you talking about? No one was judging and previous respondents even went out of their way to say they’re not insulting OP or putting them down - only asking questions to get OP to provide some clarity???? The fact the OP post had to be broken down is maybe because OP won’t respond to the questions and acts like we’re insulting them when we aren’t? I’m one of the respondents and OP acts like I am spouting venom and they refuse to address the way they worded their post other than act offended.

@223+1w5ADvM1 Wrong. OP is parading around like they were someone special with their “20 years experience” (20 years experience in WHAT???) like we should have rolled out the red carpet and feels like they didn’t thrive cause their norm is promoting quickly. That is an extremely toxic mindset. And just as OP shared their experience, we are sharing ours in response.

OP basically put Centene down and boats they thrived before us and after us. I’m questioning if they even had bad leadership cause it sounds like they came in with a holier than thou attitude cause of their “20 years” experience and didn’t get the special treatment they expected and I take that as them acting like they’re better than a seasoned internal employee. Sounds like a nightmare to deal with but outside of that OP made a good point - when you’re fresh meat to a company - you’re more likely to get laid off than a seasoned employee. If OP wants to discuss it further they should give more context and explain what they reported their manager for, even if they have to be vague. But the whole self righteous promotion comment was unnecessary. They made it clear they’re thriving but they felt the need to come back here so it sounds like they are upset it didn’t work out for them and they fail to take accountability it was them. “It wasn’t me it was Centene”… I find that VERY hard to believe because OP has responded several times and refused to give more context other than refute valid questions from people that are not putting them down or insulting them.

I am not the OP, but I will share. It’s not about “thinking of you” but rather sharing experience, as others do on forums like this. Everyone processes their experiences differently, and just because the OP moved on doesn’t mean they can’t reflect or engage in discussions about what happened. Personally I have witness some real shady stuff at the company.

The OP included the point about being promoted quickly to highlight a contrast between their usual trajectory and their experience at Centene. It’s not boasting; it’s context. You can not prove or disprove that “Centene is the problem” but certainly the expectations of the OP were not met. That’s okay—it’s a mismatch, not necessarily an indictment of the entire company as you're portraying it.

Lastly, if reflecting on and discussing past experiences means someone isn’t happy, then no one would share their career stories here. The goal isn’t to dwell but to contribute to a dialogue others might find relatable or helpful. 😊

OP we are waiting on your reply

OP if you’re thriving so well what makes you think Centene is the problem? You said you were thriving before you came here but you seem really upset you got let go after a short amount of time here…. Not denying you had a stint with a bad leader. There are some here as there are with other companies. But you boasting of being promoted quickly is what is probably driving some of the responses. You included it so address it. Or just go away. If you’re so happy you wouldn’t be thinking of us… now would you…

@8zpg+1w5ADv

“I watched this conversation take a turn only after your response.”

You didn’t see anything other than me question OP.

“It is full of venom and just flat out full of baseless accusations.”

OPs post was. My responses were not.

“Honestly, your second response confirmed that your first response was snarky and disingenuous.”

If I was being snarky you’d know it. Nowhere was I being snarky.

“Centene's culture is so bad that a current employee snuck and leaked one of the layoffs to the national media. What part of it don't you get!”

ONE employee who did a dirty move doesn’t represent Centene or it’s culture

“I read all of this over and over and it's obvious you came to defend Centene by any means necessary.”

Believe what you want…. all I did was question what happened to OP to try and understand because of their vague post.

“OP triggered you when they said they not only moved on, but was also doing well.”

Not triggered at all. As I said, I wished them well. And wanted to understand more because their original post was somewhat vague regarding their experience. I’m at Cenetene and doing quite well. I wished OP the same since they are happy in their new role.

“Your interpretation and "thorough dissection" is exactly what is wrong with out company!”

Nope, dissection was breaking down what they said in an effort to understand them at each of the points they made in their post. It’s called breaking it down. But I guess if you want to call it dissecting we can call it that.

“Centene has more issues than just treating employees poorly. They treat customers poorly as evident by their Stars rating. They don't have top value in business as evident by their stock. Their operations are subpar as evident by the loss in contracts. And based on your response, they are just sore losers who apparently want to watch others suffer at their hand, be it overworked on the job or let go.”

You seem disgruntled. But… None of that has anything to do with what OP was saying. If those are concerns of yours; make a new post and we can have folks (myself included) respond and address them. Don’t try to stray from what OP was posting about with your concerns that don’t relate to them. And nothing of what I said called Centene sore losers. They are not sore losers, despite what you want to call them.

“All of this to say, SHUT UP!”

You won’t get rid of me that easily. So to that I say NOPE! :)

@8ews+1w5ADvM1 How were you treated poorly? You’ve given no context surrounding your layoff. All you did was come in here and boast about how you’re thriving before and after Centene and claim you had a bad manager you had to report but you’re withholding key details to allow anyone the chance to further engage in the conversation other than boasting your Norm is to be promoted quickly.

Try again.

Hopefully one day people can share their experiences without being judged or have their opinion dissected. We can all agree to disagree or disagree to agree. I appreciate the experiences because its reality. Don’t stop sharing your experiences because someone else is silently experiencing the same reality. Not one person will say, hey how can we make this working experience better for everyone. All I see is excuses, no solutions. Not one person asked, well what is our promotion policy or why aren’t bad leadership being held accountable…sad reality but you can ridicule this post because not one leader that has read these posts offered real solutions.

I recently interviewed there, and it was... interesting to say the least. Not a single smile was cracked between the two apparently miserable people I would've been working for. I didn't get the job, despite being very qualified/ experienced, and the VP who interviewed me came off like he thought I was lying about my skill set. If he's any indication of your broader leadership team, then I feel for you. It was just weird and uncomfortable. I'll never apply for a role at this organization again.

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This is OP. I came back and oh boy! Lol. Happy to know the intent in my post indeed was read correctly. One of my greatest soft skills (I'd say) is my ability to hold a generative conversation and ignore those who refuse to do so.

After my inital replyi and reading a few lines of that respondent...I chose to ignore. The last two responses tells me everything I need to know AND it doesn't change the fact that I was treated poorly and dismissed because of it in ONE time at ONE place in my career when I called out something. Had I wanted to be promoted so bad, I would have quit versus being let go being that I was there longer than 4 months. You just can't fix some people. As someone just mentioned below, they have much bigger problems.

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I watched this conversation take a turn only after your response. It is full of venom and just flat out full of baseless accusations. Honestly, your second response confirmed that your first response was snarky and disingenuous. Centene's culture is so bad that a current employee snuck and leaked one of the layoffs to the national media. What part of it don't you get!
I read all of this over and over and it's obvious you came to defend Centene by any means necessary. OP triggered you when they said they not only moved on, but was also doing well. Your interpretation and "thorough dissection" is exactly what is wrong with out company!

Centene has more issues than just treating employees poorly. They treat customers poorly as evident by their Stars rating. They don't have top value in business as evident by their stock. Their operations are subpar as evident by the loss in contracts. And based on your response, they are just sore losers who apparently want to watch others suffer at their hand, be it overworked on the job or let go.

All of this to say, SHUT UP!

Thank you for your thoughtful, detailed response. I just question your intent: Are you defending the layoffs at Centene instead of addressing the issue at stake?

References made to getting quick promotions did not refer to spoiling but to spotlight a consistent career line in every position. Any mention of leadership conundrums and periods of joblessness does not act as a critique toward anyone; it is referencing some of the challenges that the OP faced and endured in time with Centene. Not by far the worst of it.

Moving to a new position is about more than just promotions; it's establishing a healthier, more viable organization where someone is valued and not just regarded as another place-mat. While acute treatment in the status quo is appreciated, the new perspective is what invites innovation and growth. Which Centene severely lacks, especially after C-19, when its heroes turned to zeros almost overnight. How can you have loyal employees when the company has no regard for the experience the OP had. Centene is a meat grinder and nothing more.

This got written to inspire and motivate others who are stuck in their current positions to understand that other doors do indeed open. Thanks for the goodwill; I also wish you were the best, but everyone is entitled to a working environment where he/she can work and flourish, and not just be told by a manager who talks too much saying the same thing five times during one conversation.

@3iux+1w5ADvM1 Read it again

Okay OP. Let’s try this again.

“I was at Centene a short time”

How long exactly? Because you saying being promoted after 4 months is the norm for you sounds like you expected it here and didn’t get it.

“I’ve never had to file a formal complaint against a manager, but I had to there.”

I’m not denying you didn’t have a bad experience with leadership. There are some nasty ones and I’ve had to complain against one too.

“I was unemployed for 8 months and no one would touch me. Mind you, I have a glowing resume with over 20 years of experience.”

This is the part that is difficult to comment on properly. What exactly did you do? What is the 20 years of experience in? Was this before or after getting laid off at Centene that no one would touch you?

“I tried a different industry altogether just to get a job, and guess what? I'm thriving again. Promoted within 4 months, which btw is my norm---to be promoted up quickly.”

Ok. There it is. RIGHT THERE. You are making it VERY clear that you expect frequent promotions because of your experience. I think this is what is causing you issues. You think because of your number of years of combined experience that you’re better than others and should rise above them. You cannot join a new company and promote that fast. You may have 20 years experience combined but an existing Centene employee with 5 years experience knows the internal ongoings and systems better than you whether you want to admit that or not. I’m NOT trying to insult you or put you down for how you feel. I’m just trying to explain to you that if you’re new to the company, we might be doing similar operations because of the type of work we do that you might have done before but that doesn’t mean you can come in with 20 years experience from other jobs and expect to rise above those who have been doing it internally longer than you have.

“Thriving before Centene and now after. So, it's safe to say that it wasn't me.
If you're there and are facing struggle...just try to leave altogether.”

Okay then. Good for you. Like I said, you’re thriving so that’s all that matters but I’m trying to explain to you that maybe some of it WAS you and your outlook of “being promoted up quickly” and you’re flat out denying it. You DO expect frequent promotions but if you were thriving so well before Centene what made you come here and apply for a job here in the first place? Again, I’m NOT insulting you or putting you down or trying to invalidate how you feel.

Again, OP, I wish you the best. Everyone deserves to be happy and it is clear that being at Centene was not working out for you but I am glad you are doing well at your new job and getting the promotions you feel you deserve.

@3iux+1w5ADvM1 the OP said in their post “Promoted within 4 months, which btw is my norm” - I don’t know if the OP expects a promotion every 4 months or expects a promotion after 4 months within starting a new job but calling it the norm for them is what likely led to the replies. But, none of the replies look to be putting OP down. Folks are just expressing their thoughts on how they feel about promoting too soon in general. The way OP feels is as valid as the way the respondents feel. But promoting people too soon has caused problems in some depts and if anything it should be discussed. Even if it’s on this thread. OP if you’re here checking responses, I am very sorry to hear you had been let go after 20 years. But I am happy to hear you are thriving and doing well. Some are not so lucky. I too wish you the best.

Talk about deflection! OP never said they expected to get a quick promotion at Centene. What did you guys read? The leaders su-k plain and simple! Haaaaaaaaaaa!

Hey OP I work here and need a new job!

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Being promoted wasn't a "topic" and you single-handedly proved exactly my point.

You skipped over 20 years experience and completely disregarded the various nuances that comes with having transferable skills that might be good for another company, expressing your end goal with them, then proving yourself and ultimately getting rewarded. Heck, Centene was giving me those stupid quarterly bonuses before the axe...which was a result of me expressing a concern.

If you have a novice employee, KNOW they are novice, and promote them in 4 months then YOU are the problem. And you set both yourself and your company up for fail. Centene hires people based on positive past performance and clear background, right?

It's ok to perform well BEFORE Centene and SINCE, and do well. I'm far from the only testimony.