If you plan to leave, please don't let the upper management know. Everybody who is not planning to relocate should say otherwise until the very last possible moment. Let's mess with their plans and numbers. I know that's burning a bridge, but it shouldn't matter. Does anybody want to return to AT&T at some point in the future after all of this?
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"If you say you will move and then don't, you will give up your severance. Worth it? "
To anyone who received the RTO letter, did it state that you will give up your severance If you say you will move and then don't? If not, then you should still be entitled for severance if you change your mind down the road. As unpredictable life events could occur, so can your decision change.
"If you say you will move and then don't, you will give up your severance. Worth it? "
That's not true. Unless there's something in writing saying that you are giving up severance if you don't move.
“I had a former colleague did just that during the collaboration zone push in 2019. He agreed to relocate but backed out after checking out some properties. He was eventually laid off in the next round but still got his full severance pay.”
I know someone who ended up in a similar situation- he didn’t move by his move date, and his Director worked some magic to keep him on payroll for a few weeks…. Luckily for him surplus was right around the corner yet again, and he was able to volunteer to be cut. That’s the ONLY reason he got his severance. Nothing to do with the failed moving agreement.
If you say you will move and then don't, you will give up your severance. Worth it?
I had a former colleague did just that during the collaboration zone push in 2019. He agreed to relocate but backed out after checking out some properties. He was eventually laid off in the next round but still got his full severance pay.
Unless there's written contract, I don't think the company can deny severance pay even when an employee did not follow through on their promise. The OP is right. Unless the employee already has new job lined up, it will be their best interest to just agree to relocate to buy some time figuring out the next steps.
By any definition, this is a COBC violation.
Oh no, a COBC violation! What are they going to do? Layoffs? Lol.
Good luck proving it.
I believe what the person was referencing is if an employee report date to a particular HUB is greater than 6 months, some people maybe given 12 - 18 months etc. then if they stayed, they could potentially make more than they would by taking the 6 months severance.
"And folks please remember: if you get severance you do not get to “double dip” and collect unemployment"
Not true in my state. I checked this multiple times. A severance does not impact unemployment benefits in my state unless the "severance" requires work duties in exchange for it (eg., you still have to report to work... which doesn't even sound like a severance to me, but they do mention that). So please check your own state's guidelines and don't make any assumptions which might be erroneous. Best of luck to all.
* "If you’re smart and a little lucky you can time it to where you have a new job waiting for you, get the severance, and get to take a little two week vacay in between jobs (yes: I’ve done this. More than once.)" *
Are you trying to sc--w people over with your terrible advice? You will only get the severance if you select to leave now, by refusing to relo. If you commit to move, there will be none later.
You can get unemployment in Illinois and take your severance. I was on it for 6 weeks. I already found a job. Still double dipping for 3 more months. Taxes will be horrible but I’ll worry about that later.
I was cut in March and there’s no way I would go back to that culture. The only way your rewarded is if you can out bully everyone else.
"And folks please remember: if you get severance you do not get to “double dip” and collect unemployment"
This depends on the state, and is not true for all. Look up the rules in your state.
Not COBC violation, but common sense. They aren't tell you anything in advance, why should you? Respond on their timetable, keep your options open until their deadline for a response.
Nobody owes anyone favors here.
Why would anyone do this? It would not change anything. Employees need to make the decision that's best for their family and move on. You won't be teaching AT&T any lessons by being obstinate or playing games, and your energy should be focused on your next steps.
And don’t just do THAT (although def do that!). In tandem start looking for work now. Believe me: it will take MONTHS.
If you’re smart and a little lucky you can time it to where you have a new job waiting for you, get the severance, and get to take a little two week vacay in between jobs (yes: I’ve done this. More than once.)
Don’t squander your severance by waiting to look for work and living off of it in the interim. That’s not the smart way to work the system.
And folks please remember: if you get severance you do not get to “double dip” and collect unemployment. If you get 6 months severance, then you’ll have to wait 24 weeks to collect unemployment (although you can start the filing process while you wait for it to pay out). But believe me: it’s not much money. Not even $400/week in my state for the top earning bracket and it only pays out for 14 weeks (again, in my state).
Make this work for you. Ideally a vacation, 6 months of additional income for the stress you’ve been out through, and a new job all before 2024.
China up and the best of luck to all!
I mean, that's one strategy, but if "the last possible minute" is a month away, you'd be giving up potentially 6 months of salary in severance for one month of work and the idea that you are "sticking it" to "upper management." Doesn't seem to be a fare trade.
By any definition, this is a COBC violation.