I've been with AT&T about 15 years. I've always worked virtually. I don't even have an office to go to, to speak of. I have a spot I could work at but none of my team is there. And I have no cubicle. Am I going to be required to move or face layoff? And move on my own dime since I'm not tier...3? 4? Will I get my 6 months severance if I don't move? Fml. Sorry for asking questions that I'm sure have been asked a hundred times.
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“Did your hiring packet ever state that your virtual work location would not change during your full term of employment?”
Great question! Of course it didn’t.
What worries me, though, is the likely off payroll if taking severance date that's circulating is July 7.
If taking severance.....this is a surplus, there is no option here. You are mixing the severance that is expected to take place this week with the RTO l. The off payroll date you have been hearing about is related to the surplus
No warning this time. Management was told not to discuss anything related to Surplus or RTO as they have been briefed. They will be instructed when to take action.
Surplus usually comes with a warning to let you know you are in an impacted group. Anyone know if that happened this time if 6/22 surplus is true?
Did your hiring packet ever state that your virtual work location would not change during your full term of employment?
The only thing coming on 6-22 are surplus notices. RTO info will be 6-30 or so.
* "What I meant was, they tell you the day your last date will be on payroll and you will have to stick it out till then to receive it" *
Ok, we're on the same page then, I apologize for the misunderstanding. So I guess the only remaining question is when the last day is. I'm guessing it might be very different for different people. Some supervisors might be asking to extend this time for their employees that are not willing to relocate. I know a lot of them are worried about their teams if they suddenly lose several good workers at once. At least on the L3 level. This can be a blessing and a curse. Some people might be happy to have an opportunity to get a few extra weeks of work, for example if they're asked to stay till September, it's possible... others might find it to be a great obstacle, if they're already looking for a new job, as it might delay their start date availability and they might miss out of some opportunities. The very worst part about all this is not knowing. The supposed notification date has already been pushed back once or twice, and if we don't find out this week, we might find ourselves in a weird situation there we're still expecting to lose our jobs, but won't know when and it can go on for weeks, if not months. In this case, I agree with you, some people might be tempted or even forced by their circumstances to just leave without severance. AT&T is really putting us into a very bad position here.
“Are you saying AT&T will be willing to pay you for another 6-12 on payroll”
It was a poor choice of words on my part
What I meant was, they tell you the day your last date will be on payroll and you will have to stick it out till then to receive it
But if you leave before it, you won’t receive any severance — that being said I genuinely don’t believe they will be saying peoples last payroll dates will be mid July, but I could be completely wrong, just like everyone else tbh
* "Wrong, RTO info to be released at the end of the month." *
Lots of people were told June 22nd. Some were told June 29-30. To be fair, we were told June 15 first, then June 22, and I won't be shocked if we still hear nothing this week, and it goes to June 29. What worries me, though, is the likely off payroll if taking severance date that's circulating is July 7. It was reasonable when it meant 3 weeks from the "letter", now it's 2... if it doesn't happen this week, then it will be just 1, unless that date moves with it too.
* "You’ll only get severance if you stick it out until the very last day." *
Where is this coming from? This is completely different from what most people seem to believe, and honestly, doesn't make a lot of sense. Are you saying AT&T will be willing to pay you for another 6-12 on payroll, with all the benefits, 401k match, HSA match and all that, while you probably won't be very productive, and they know it, and will be looking for another job? And then pay you the 6 moths severance on top of that? Just hoping you'll find another job before then, hoping to avoid that severance?
Hold on. Think about it. It makes 0 sense.
You will either have to leave now (2 weeks most likely) with severance, or promise to relocate, and if you don't by the specified date, get fired for cause with no severance.
Anyway, we'll find out soon enough. BTW, OP, I'm virtually in the same exact situation as you.
* "In a nutshell, your entitlement ends now." *
In a nutshell, you're a du----s.
In a nutshell, your entitlement ends now.
"once the relo is turned down you will only have 2 weeks on payroll"
Some groups have been told that it will vary. Two weeks would be the minimum in a true surplus. But even though we know this is a headcount exercise, there is not a surplus declared. So, they know there are entire swaths of groups that will be leaving, that those people are not truly 'surplus,' and that there will have to be some amount of knowledge transfer, backfilling, and/or outsourcing before they leave, and sometimes the BU leaders can give that process more time.
Post ID: @1grs+1ndQP4JG--Ok so technically you’re right and wrong at the same time. It actually rolls out to the managers first, and they release it to their direct reports — with the first being notified on Thursday , though there are limits based on the systems, so doesn’t get sent out all at once
But I guarantee you, that your manager will know by Thursday if you don’t. But end of the month is definitely wrong; sorry
- Just to be clear - you are saying managers will have RTO details also this Thursday and some will release it? This is not to be confused with the Surplus that is taking place this Thurs / Fri? You are saying both events happening this week? That is contrary to what has been endlessly stated on this site -- most have said Surplus notifications this week and RTO notifications end of June.
Same here -TW for over 15 yrs and nowhere close to any hub. I will be gone; I will not relocate and virtual designations are targeted at 0% in my org. I am confused why people are talking about sticking it out until the end to get severance. It is my understanding that once the relo is turned down you will only have 2 weeks on payroll. Of course this is all speculation because no one is telling us anything.
Where have you been? If you are just now getting an understanding of what is happening, you have been asleep and shouldn’t be working virtually. You are a perfect candidate for more direct supervision an office environment will provide
don't worry they will just bring up the excuse of needs of the business and nothing will change for you.
“Wrong, RTO info to be released at the end of the month.”
Ok so technically you’re right and wrong at the same time. It actually rolls out to the managers first, and they release it to their direct reports — with the first being notified on Thursday , though there are limits based on the systems, so doesn’t get sent out all at once
But I guarantee you, that your manager will know by Thursday if you don’t. But end of the month is definitely wrong; sorry
Some d-mb follow ups also. Please post your Id so we can make sure you are on the correct list for the Thurs / Fri notifications. Unbelievable.
I’m literally 100% same as you, 15 years, all virtual, but on Thursday you’ll find out, but unfortunately i truly believe it’s relocate/rto or find another job. You’ll only get severance if you stick it out until the very last day.
Wrong, RTO info to be released at the end of the month.
OP, hate to say but you are d-mb.
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OP here. This is my situation too. How does the severance work? 🥴 I'm confused.
Manager says she doesn’t know , AVP hasn’t said a word, SVP silent and so it goes. So no, a large majority of us have heard nothing other than there is a RTO initiative and we will all find out our designations… virtual or office… by June 30th.
Nope..stay and get 6 months fu-k them
Have to assume you’ve asked these questions of your supervisor? Attended a meeting or 2 on topic?
Same scenario for me as well. I hope the rumored date of this Thursday, the 22nd, actually comes to fruition and is not just a rumor. Ready to face whatever is headed my way!
You should have learned this in theory already. Didn't your VP communicate it to you. It is correct that being virtual in the past effectively means nothing going forward. You'll find out exact terms within the week, month, or two months depending what org you're in. Best of luck.
I’m literally 100% same as you, 15 years, all virtual, but on Thursday you’ll find out, but unfortunately i truly believe it’s relocate/rto or find another job. You’ll only get severance if you stick it out until the very last day.
I think their hope is you’ll find something else before then so you don’t get any severance
Obviously december though is the worst time to be trying to find a new job, but 50% severance maybe worth trying to hold out for , if you’re confident you can find something at that point
Personally I’m leaning to just trying to find something now because my nerves are a wreck and I’d rather have stability and peace of mind than whatever severance I can get